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Hugues has said a couple of times he isn't such a fan of themes, so it could be open
I personally love Open games because you get a lot of different type of songs. However, those games can turn out to be huge in numbers because we have so few of them!

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I did like it, just not as much as some of your earlier entries, like Sonic Youth, Blonde Redhead, John Grant, PJ Harvey, Roisin Murphy, ....

Same with Hugues. Good song, but not as much to my taste as a lot of his other entries. Although like you, it wouldn't surprise me if Hugues liked this song better than the stuff I liked better. But that's fine: vive la différence!
It would be impossible to me to rank all the songs I sent by order of preference, unless in a very rough way. Each time I was asked the question (it happened at least twice in the interview since the start of the game), my answers were different. Depends on my mood. For Jenifer Jackson, I can fairly say her Birds album is one of my very top favorites of the new century thus far. It's delightfully subtle and delicate, melodically and sonically. I know people who don't like it cause they don't like soft vocals. Her vocals are decidedly smooth, but endlessly refined and filled with feelings, pastoral and aerial, like a impressionist painting.

Simply put, I have no idea what is my favorite music as long as I haven't heard it. I don't know what I look for: it's the music that finds me. I'm just being receptive, as a listener, in an open way, and happen to like very different musics from many fields, without principle or prejudice from the start.

I can stand soft vocals, that's for sure, that is part of my sensibility or taste. Female vocals get (to) me easily. I can swim in a female voice, it's like an emotional and sensual trip or something. These female voices can be very different, high or low, sweet or rough. Male vocals can also do the same to me, though not as much.

I like Paula Frazer, her music but not her voice as much. She just doesn't have that thing I can swim into. She doesn't move me. I find her work lovely, but as much decorative as haunting, and a bit too formulaic, or cerebral aesthetically. Still, she has a style. She shares some similarities with Neko Case for her taste for gothic and haunting country, but for instance Neko Case moves me more for the quality of her vocals, which alternates punch from the breast and bewitching wailing. But that's just me. I know people who prefer Paula Frazer to Neko Case, cause they find Neko's voice too loud, so it's a matter of taste here. I feel like Frazer's work lacks intuition and is too clean, but shares an interesting vision. It's definitely nice music, but the kind of music that doesn't move me or rock me enough in the end. There's a lack of passion also in her work I'd say, she's really industrious in an almost cold way. She approaches music like embroidery. That's not necessarily a negative thing to me, though, since there are "embroiderers" I especially like in music (Rose Melberg being one, a bit like I would approach a naive painting for this one).

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Hugues has said a couple of times he isn't such a fan of themes, so it could be open
Yes, it will be open. Otherwise I'd choose a fifties theme, I was hesitating between those two. But we need more open games, there are too much theme games that I feel restrictive, and it's not so fun to me.
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thanks for sharing your thoughts on paula frazer, huggi for me it's really the opposite, i never thought of her work as being too clean, i find neko case's music much cleaner and less intuitive (but i liker her, too).


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can i get help what to nominate?

a) popfolk (never nominated anything like this but the genre seems appreciated here)
b) jazz/swing (never nominated anything like this but the genre seems appreciated here)
c) 80s for the snobs (never nominated anything like this but the genre seems appreciated here)
d) something from NM's shelf of goodies that SArcher and Litotes would vote 12 and no one else will give a fuck about

I think I have good songs for all of the above.

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thanks for sharing your thoughts on paula frazer, huggi for me it's really the opposite, i never thought of her work as being too clean, i find neko case's music much cleaner and less intuitive (but i liker her, too).
I have a few stuff from her, and mostly promo stuff. Actually she was signed in France for the Fargo label, and I happened to know the guy who runs this label and signed Paula for the French (and European) market, as he was writing for a while for the same music magazine as me! (benevolently, I wasn't professional). I also met him in Paris the same week I met Jenifer Jackson and others there (in June 2004).

I submitted some Jenifer Jackson music to his attention and he listened (he was very nice and respectful with me, actually he enjoyed my writings ), but didn't like it enough. I found another guy who signed Jenifer, though (on a label called Bad Reputation), and her album So high was repackaged and distributed in France, but not with big motivation from his part. He wasn't very communicative and we lost contact.

While I was in Paris for a few days, I also gave Jenifer a promo record from Jolie Holland that I was liking a lot (Escondida) and she told me later that she didn't like it much. "Les goûts et les couleurs!" as we say in French.

So I was spreading around what I found and enjoyed, with mixed results.

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It would be impossible to me to rank all the songs I sent by order of preference, unless in a very rough way. Each time I was asked the question (it happened at least twice in the interview since the start of the game), my answers were different. Depends on my mood. For Jenifer Jackson, I can fairly say her Birds album is one of my very top favorites of the new century thus far. It's delightfully subtle and delicate, melodically and sonically. I know people who don't like it cause they don't like soft vocals. Her vocals are decidedly smooth, but endlessly refined and filled with feelings, pastoral and aerial, like a impressionist painting.

Simply put, I have no idea what is my favorite music as long as I haven't heard it. I don't know what I look for: it's the music that finds me. I'm just being receptive, as a listener, in an open way, and happen to like very different musics from many fields, without principle or prejudice from the start.

I can stand soft vocals, that's for sure, that is part of my sensibility or taste. Female vocals get (to) me easily. I can swim in a female voice, it's like an emotional and sensual trip or something. These female voices can be very different, high or low, sweet or rough. Male vocals can also do the same to me, though not as much.

I like Paula Frazer, her music but not her voice as much. She just doesn't have that thing I can swim into. She doesn't move me. I find her work lovely, but as much decorative as haunting, and a bit too formulaic, or cerebral aesthetically. Still, she has a style. She shares some similarities with Neko Case for her taste for gothic and haunting country, but for instance Neko Case moves me more for the quality of her vocals, which alternates punch from the breast and bewitching wailing. But that's just me. I know people who prefer Paula Frazer to Neko Case, cause they find Neko's voice too loud, so it's a matter of taste here. I feel like Frazer's work lacks intuition and is too clean, but shares an interesting vision. It's definitely nice music, but the kind of music that doesn't move me or rock me enough in the end. There's a lack of passion also in her work I'd say, she's really industrious in an almost cold way. She approaches music like embroidery. That's not necessarily a negative thing to me, though, since there are "embroiderers" I especially like in music (Rose Melberg being one, a bit like I would approach a naive painting for this one).

Sorry for the rant.
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Like you I don't have a particular preference for "hard" or "soft" vocals, for me the main thing is what the singer does with the voice. Sometimes I like vocals that some might find hard or harsh, like Janis Joplin, Valerie June or Karen Dalton, but I also enjoy softer sounds like Juliette Commagere and Lisa Hannigan.

The main thing is that it should be natural and honest. I really have an issue with a lot of contemporary vocalists, who IMO are often using gimmickry to gain their intended audience's approval rather than just singing from the heart. Of course what is natural and honest is a subjective judgment call. I make it for myself as well as I can, but I understand that others who make the call differently could also be right (except when it comes to gratuitous use of autotune of course: then they are just dead wrong if they like that)
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Like you I don't have a particular preference for "hard" or "soft" vocals, for me the main thing is what the singer does with the voice. Sometimes I like vocals that some might find hard or harsh, like Janis Joplin, Valerie June or Karen Dalton, but I also enjoy softer sounds like Juliette Commagere and Lisa Hannigan.

The main thing is that it should be natural and honest. I really have an issue with a lot of contemporary vocalists, who IMO are often using gimmickry to gain their intended audience's approval rather than just singing from the heart. Of course what is natural and honest is a subjective judgment call. I make it for myself as well as I can, but I understand that others who make the call differently could also be right (except when it comes to gratuitous use of autotune of course: then they are just dead wrong if they like that)
Actually I know a good lot of singers I'd like to share with you (knowing your taste for Lisa Hannigan for instance) and I will, from time to time, through this game. Hopefully this game is only at the start of its existence!

This game also makes me discover a lot of stuff, as my own sub-forum page demonstrates!
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good lord.

Thank you HD for submitting a good song. i really enjoyed it the first time i heard it

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can i get help what to nominate?

a) popfolk (never nominated anything like this but the genre seems appreciated here)
b) jazz/swing (never nominated anything like this but the genre seems appreciated here)
c) 80s for the snobs (never nominated anything like this but the genre seems appreciated here)
d) something from NM's shelf of goodies that SArcher and Litotes would vote 12 and no one else will give a fuck about

I think I have good songs for all of the above.
Go with what SArcher would want you to
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Congrats Hugues and thanks Wanderer, Baraboo, and Mynarco for sharing their secrets!

Adey. Thanks!
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Yes, it will be open. Otherwise I'd choose a fifties theme, I was hesitating between those two. But we need more open games, there are too much theme games that I feel restrictive, and it's not so fun to me.
Thank you for the Open Game If the crowd doesn't take us all down

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I have to say: Listening to Jezabels - Sahara Masala is AMAZING. So sad it didn't make the finals. Thank you so much King Halep.

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Just saw the results to this Saturday. Thanks to everyone who give Out To Sea high points,maybe the most pleasantly shocked I have been by one of my songs placements ever. Was not expecting top 10 even let alone top 5.
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