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Brits in Wimbledon

Probably a very short-lived thread.

Will we have any women left in qualies after the completion of QR1?

(1)Aliona Bolsova v (wc)Cori Gauff
Shuyue Ma v Johanna Larsson
(wc)Emma Raducanu v En-Shuo Liang
Julia Glushko v (17)Greet Minnen

(3)Lauren Davis v Bibiane Schoofs
Maryna Zanevska v Francesca Di Lorenzo
(wc)Naomi Broady v Kristie Ahn
Robin Anderson v (32)Tamara Korpatsch

(4)Misaki Doi v Kimberly Birrell
Arina Rodionova v Asia Muhammad
Naiktha Bains v Danielle Lao
Danka Kovinic v (25)Sachia Vickery

(9)Whitney Osuigwe v Cristina Bucsa
Shuai Peng v (wc)Samantha Murray
Fangzhou Liu v Deniz Khazaniuk
Patricia Maria Tig v (22)Paula Badosa

(11)Nao Hibino v Fanny Stollar
Katarzyna Kawa v (wc)Francesca Jones
Elena-Gabriela Ruse v Sesil Karatantcheva
Irina Bara v (18)Allie Kiick

(12)Ysaline Bonaventure v Jamie Loeb
(wc)Gabriella Taylor v Chloe Paquet
Ekaterine Gorgodze v Anna Bondar
Magdalena Frech v (26)Arantxa Rus

(14)Olga Danilovic v (wc)Eden Silva
Rebecca Sramkova v Amandine Hesse
Anna Zaja v Myrtille Georges
Paula Ormaechea v (17)Beatriz Haddad Maia

(16)Tereza Smitkova v Barbara Haas
Valeria Savinykh v Yanina Wickmayer
(wc)Maia Lumsden v Kaylah McPhee
Xinyun Han v (31)Liudmila Samsonova
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

I posted similar in that grass season thread, but it deserves it's own thread.

I think it's an excellent draw overall, and if we don't get anyone going through then they might as well scrap the QWCs going forward as it's not realistically going to get better than that. I'd say 5 or 6 will be within 4/6 to 13/8 at the bookies, and I don't really see any case where they will be out of their depth and have no chance. Maybe Eden on paper, but Danilovic has had a pretty poor year by her standards.

We'll probably end up with none or one through at most, and it'll be back to doom and gloom, in line with the last 3 weeks, but for the 8 of them to collectively only draw one seed is really good and there definitely are opportunities. I'll go for Emma, Fran and one other (Naomi, Gabi or Naiktha). Maia has a really good draw relatively, but the problem is she's just not that good on grass.
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

I'm afraid I'm feeling a bit gloomy about our chances of getting anyone through - the grass season has been a damp squib for just about all of our players so far.

Katy started well, but got injured in W2, and is therefore absent here. Tara had a couple of wins, but wasn't able to make it through pre-qualies to be here.

Sam was obviously the standout, but she starts with pretty low expectations, given her age and rank. Emma has had no matchplay. Broady at least won a couple of matches, but managed to lose to Silva in pre-quals, and is only here due to Katy's injury. Fran has avoided grass altogether up till now. Maia has been underwhelming, and was lucky her match v Moore was moved indoors, to a surface that favoured her.

Well, maybe someone will surprise me.
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Yeah, the past 3 weeks has collectively been absolutely shite, and not one of the 19-24 range (and Heather) can say they've had a successful period. A couple of individual decent results (Parmentier, Tomova, Smitkova) and a couple of decent performances from Harriet, but ultimately, only Maia got more points than last year and even that was absolute luck drawing a QWC and having the match indoors as well, everyone else in that range received less points which is very disappointing considering they are all a year older, and a few will be significantly dropping down the rankings, so it has been dire.

That all said, I still have a bit of hope. Liang hasn't been great throughout 2019 and has lost to Katy, Gabi and Heather (2 and 2) in straight sets this year, and is coming into this on the back of a 1 and 2 grass defeat against Cepede Royg, and there are others like that.

I'll be interested to see the odds when they come out - I don't know if you are into odds, or ever put any bets on or anything, but if you are/do, I'd imagine if you put 5 or 6 of the overseas opponents in an accumulator to win, you'd probably get combined odds of around 5 or 6/1, so if you were very confident they'd all lose, if you put £10 or £20 on, then you could at least make a good bit of profit out of it. Although if I did put that on and there was one solitary win like Broady or Murray, then I'd be disappointed to lose £20, but my point was, I expect the odds to be close in a lot of matches.
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

At least it's not a bunch of Rybakina's, Smitova's, Vikhylantseva's etc.
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

Katy D She would have been the best hope in qualifying. Would have said that Gaby would be the next, but she seems to be in the most rotten section, and I would be very surprised if she got past Bonaventure. Maybe Raducanu is our best hope?
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

Maybe Naomi or Gabi will randomly peak... Doesn't look too likely though.
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Just to make things clear, I'm not expecting anyone to qualify, just that we could maybe get 2 or 3 winning their initial match, which would be more than their male counterparts, who also got relatively good draws and 3 of those (Ryan, Liam and Jack) were the favourite, yet only Liam advanced. If I had to pick anyone to qualify then I'd probably go for Naomi peaking, even though I'm not even convinced she wins Q1.

@pesto - were you meaning not anyone going through the field, or their Q1 matches? I think there might have been a misunderstanding, unless you actually do think there will be be 8 defeats tomorrow?

Everyone did lose their Q1 matches last year for comparison, and I think it might have been only Emma to have won a set.
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

Heh. I *hope* we won't have a QR1 wipeout, and I think some of them have chances, but sadly, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

I think I'm just feeling tired and gloomy.
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Gabi is 8/13 fave, Emma is 5/6 joint fave, Maia and Naomi are both 5/4, Naiktha is 6/5, Fran is 11/8, Sam 2/1 and Eden the biggest outsider at 3/1, so judging by those, it would be disappointing if we didn't get 2 or 3 going through today.

If you look at some of the other odds, Rybakina is 1/12 to beat Perez (7/1), Vikhylantseva 1/10 to beat Zarycka (6/1), McHale 1/9 to beat Shimizu (11/2). Now some of those could be down to the opponents being poor and not particularly good on grass, but as I say, these draws could have been far worse, so let's hope a couple take advantage. 20 points for those outside the top 300 are pretty precious - it's better than reaching a W25 semi final.
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Probably starting as they mean to go on. Naomi got the early break, was never behind in the set, pegged back, but an early mini break up in the tie break - end ups dropping it. Quite hard seeing her winning 2 sets in a row, think she had to take that first set.
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So Sam and Gabi through, Naomi losing narrowly on two TBs, and Eden putting up a good effort, but not quite enough. Emma and Naiktha joining them in going out, so 2/6 through, with Maia and Fran to come. If one of those 2 win then 3/8 will be a decent return. If they both lose then 2/8 could obviously have been worse, but I'd think it would be a bit disappointing given the initial Q1 draws.
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

Obviously not the right 2, as neither cheering thread has been updated.

Maia lost 4&4, Fran 3-6 7-6(1) 3-6
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Probably par there, if not slightly under. I'd have been happy with 3, especially with a generally kind draw that's unlikely to happen like that again, but as the increasingly common saying goes, it is what it is, and judging by the past few weeks, it could have been far worse.

For me, I'm more interested in the top 100/150 (and those with potential to get there) and mainly the WTA tour, so while Sam's resurgence these past few weeks has been a great story, given all her injuries and illnesses, and that's she's playing some of her best tennis, post 30, if I was picking and choosing, I'd probably have preferred that win to go elsewhere, if I'm being honest, but it's obviously great for her and while I can't pick and choose, ha, I'm really pleased for her.

Chuffed for Gabi, that's 20 points, so better than reaching a W25 SF, which is huge when you're outside the top 300. Much tougher match for her tomorrow, but it's great that she got a win at Wimbledon. Sam's is more 50/50 I reckon.
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Re: Brits in Wimbledon

Good wins for both Sam and Gabi, the latter has been through a pretty dire 12 months so hopefully this kickstarts some sort of resurgence.

The other results were probably about what you'd expect. Maybe Fran could do a bit better with a grass prep, and ditto Emma with any prep at all. No reason why Emma shouldn't do well in Roehampton/Junior Wimbledon.
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