Grass summer wildcard speculation - Page 21 - TennisForum.com
 18Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #301 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 11:45 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,106
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Quote:
Originally Posted by pesto View Post
It explains why they didn't use the fourth MDWC in Ilkley. Broady and Murray need to play play-off.

I feel that Murray has been particularly hard-done by. She hasn't had any wildcards this year - she was in the Manc qualie draw by right.

I seem to recall her being snubbed before - maybe when she did well in Ilkley and couldn't make play-offs, and didn't get an upgrade to QWC.
Yeah, 2016 reached Surbiton QF and won a round at Ilkley.

I'm in no way outraged about a talented overseas youngster getting a QWC, but I'm not sure why Gauff has specifically got one - there just doesn't seem to be any connection. They could have just as easily given it to Tauson or even Wang Xinyu who has won her last 10 matches and reached the Wimby junior SF last year, maybe even Kung as well for reaching the final and putting some results together. Gauff (and Xinyu, to be fair) will be feasting on WCs for years to come due to their nationality, so if they were insistent on a token promising overseas junior QWC, then it could have maybe gone elsewhere IMO.
Paullow is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #302 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 12:12 PM
Senior Member
 
pesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,441
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Assuming this means that Boulter does not expect to be ready, we will have a replay of last year's Eastbourne situation, with QWCs unused.

2 of the 3 GB Wimby MDWCs willl get Eastbourne MDWCs, with the third given a QWC, I suppose, but all of the next tier will be in Wimby Q.

First day of Eastbourne Qs is the second day of play-offs, and last year, not even the early round losers hauled their asses down to the South coast.
kaiakanepifan likes this.
pesto is offline  
post #303 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 03:52 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 14,001
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

^^^ looks like she is out and she did not enter Qualifying.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
guichard is offline  
 
post #304 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 04:24 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,106
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

I guess when you see another 3 and 1 defeat for Maia against relatively modest opposition, her QWC instead of a MDWC was fully justified. You've got to say it's been a thoroughly underwhelming grass season so far for the younger contingent, and it's only really oldies Sam and Naomi who have had any sort of success and I guess this has been reflected in the WC picks. Hopefully Katie S can win another round or two at Ilkley, but pretty much everyone is down on points won than they were last season, and as Pesto pointed out earlier, the way the picks have gone, there'll be very few WCs at Eastbourne to try and rectify it a bit. Disappointing really.
Paullow is offline  
post #305 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 05:08 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 14,001
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Too bad Dunne got injured, she played well on week 1


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
guichard is offline  
post #306 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 05:18 PM
Senior Member
 
pesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,441
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Yeah, Katy plays well on grass. Bad timing.

I agree that Lumsden has been underwhelming. I hoped she'd do enough in Ilkley to make the committee consider a last minute upgrade, but no, she has confirmed them in their decision.
pesto is offline  
post #307 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 07:39 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,106
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

I still can't believe all that 'keeping wildcards in house' shite I was spouting on here for weeks, for no benefit at all, ha. Obviously I didn't know that Jodie would injure herself, or Katie B probably wouldn't be ready, or the grass season would largely be a dud from a young realistic GB MDWC perspective, but in hindsight, I'd far rather someone like McNally beat Riske and went on to win Surbiton and then take that title and really enjoy the grass going forward.

I don't know why, but I quite like it when Wimbledon is players favourite event/slam like Bencic for example, so I'd much rather someone like a Bolsova or especially Rybakina were handpicked for reaching the FO 4th round or grass WTA SF and they'd have been far more appreciative than someone technically ending up getting in by ranking. I guess, even though she will get in directly now, and it won't say 'WC', announcing Swiatek is a good bit of PR and that will go down well with the player and in general, but it's just a shame the next in's are generally pretty bland - just seems a waste.

I suppose there are a few options - Ilkley obviously, Katie B, Badosa in Mallorca (unlikely), or I suppose Pliskova the Lesser if she wins another match or two in Birmingham.
Paullow is offline  
post #308 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 07:50 PM
Senior Member
 
pesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,441
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Maybe Pliskie the Less won't even have to win another match.

This win takes her into the top hundred, and she's so closely connected to her greater twin that she's a known name, and has a game that should work on grass.

And if one of the big favourites wins Ilkley, and they don't magic up another MDWC, the "next Ins" would go all the way down to her in any case.
pesto is offline  
post #309 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,106
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Quote:
Originally Posted by pesto View Post
Maybe Pliskie the Less won't even have to win another match.

This win takes her into the top hundred, and she's so closely connected to her greater twin that she's a known name, and has a game that should work on grass.

And if one of the big favourites wins Ilkley, and they don't magic up another MDWC, the "next Ins" would go all the way down to her in any case.
Yeah, I was just mentioning that on another thread when someone quoted me (there's so many on-going Wimbledon WC threads, ha), but yeah, with Jorovic now IN, she will be 6th in command, so is possibly in line to get in as the 6th alt. I suppose she is a former Wimbledon Jr winner as well, so a bit more about her in that respect than say a Zhu or Kumkhum who you hardly ever hear talk, and hovver around the 90-120 spots and until recently, don't often venture outside of their native Asia.

Jakupovic did have a very good grass season last year and I reckon she might have got a MDWC had that have been this year, but there was far more GB competition last year, but even she has lost 10 of her last 11 matches, is pushing 30, is sliding down the rankings - will be outside the top 140 next week, so unless you're a fan, it's just a bit meh.

Had someone I liked benefited then it would have been better, but it's makes it worse that they aren't and I wish their was a bit more hand picked creativity involved in their selections. I bet Tim Henman hasn't even heard of Rybakina.
Paullow is offline  
post #310 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 20th, 2019, 08:49 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,106
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Well, 5 tournaments down, 1 to go, and you could just about say it's been a pretty abysmal grass season overall for the British players. The only ones who can say they have had a decent one so far are 3 of the more experienced players in Sam, Naomi and Tara, which doesn't really do much for British tennis long term.

A combination of factors haven't helped, but Harriet has gained 30 points, Maia 30 (and very fortunate to draw a QWC, and to get that match indoors), Heather 25, Katy 25, Naiktha 13, Katie S 13, Gabi 13, Jodie 1, Katie B 0. Obviously some have been unfortunate, particularly the latter 2 and shouldn't have really been included in this (and most others were coming into it with injuries or illnesses), but the facts remain, not one player (in this paragraph) has gained more points so far than reaching a random W25 final, like Maia did a few weeks ago. Compare that to any optimism coming into it - pretty grim really, and all of those bar Maia (again in this paragraph) have got less points than last year, including Naiktha who obviously didn't even get any grass WCs last year. All those MDWCs, QWCs etc. for that return.

If you look at our Aussie counterparts, which I often like to compare, given the countries have a bit of a friendly sporting rivalry and both host slams and have the same amount of WTA events.

Aiava came through 3 rounds of Brisbane quals and won a round (mind, exactly the same as Harriet at that event), but more than anything anyone has done here. Birrell beat Kasatkina in this event, who must have had close to a top 10 ranking at the time. Tomljanovic reached the QFs (although we don't really have a circa 50 player, now that Konta has moved up a level - ideally this would have been Watson, but that's a million miles away currently).

Hon qualified for Sydney and won a round in the main draw. Higher up, Barty (who had a similar ranking to Konta has now) reached the final here.

Largely helped by giving their players more wildcards after a generally decent showing in the warm up events (but also due to a superior pool of players), they had 10 main draw players at the Aussie Open, we'll have 4, so far less chance of picking up the odd shock win, and Birrell beat Kiki M and Vekic before going out in R3. Hives and Sharma both won a match, and Barty reached the QF.

I probably should have done that at least after Eastbourne in case fortunes change, but at this stage, unless the likes of Harriet, Katie and Heather draw each other in R1, you can't see too much joy in that field.

Last edited by Paullow; Jun 20th, 2019 at 09:07 PM.
Paullow is offline  
post #311 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 22nd, 2019, 12:15 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 14,001
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

So Swan, Hart & Watson have the eastbourne wc


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
guichard is offline  
post #312 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 22nd, 2019, 10:57 PM
Senior Member
 
pesto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,441
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

I saw Swan practising at Eastbourne today. Not for long enough to tell how she was looking, but not strapped up like a mummy at least.

Paul Jubb, though, had a bag of ice strapped around his knee.
pesto is offline  
post #313 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 23rd, 2019, 12:19 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,106
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

Jubb has been a revelation these past few weeks, and has made up a bit for the lack of succes on the women's side. 7 matches these past 2 and a bit weeks, 5 of those 3 setters and 4 wins - Novak has beaten him twice in straight sets, but every other has gone the distance and that may have caught up with him. But while he might be on a better trajectory than most of the young GB women, that's exactly the sort of grass season you'd hope for - a bit of buzz, competing well, wins, including 2 just outside the top 100. He's absolutely made the most of his WC chances, and hopefully there's more to come.

As for tomorrow, it is another tough match for Dart, she maybe has been a bit unfortunate with her draws. Kontaveit hasn't been great since reaching the Stuttgart final, but I suspect she will probably have too much for Harriet tomorrow. Katie and Heather's are a lot more favourable - still tough considering they are lower ranked and wildcarded in, but you'd like to think they'd have a decent chance or it's hardly worth them entering these type of events as it could have been far far worse. Both are 11/8 at the bookies.

Change of opponent for Konta, but it'll be equally as tough IMO. Yastremska is coincidentally the same price as Swan and Watson at 11/8.
Paullow is offline  
post #314 of 314 (permalink) Old Jun 24th, 2019, 04:56 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,106
                     
Re: Grass summer wildcard speculation

(1)Aliona Bolsova v (wc)Cori Gauff
Shuyue Ma v Johanna Larsson
(wc)Emma Raducanu v En-Shuo Liang
Julia Glushko v (17)Greet Minnen

(3)Lauren Davis v Bibiane Schoofs
Maryna Zanevska v Francesca Di Lorenzo
(wc)Naomi Broady v Kristie Ahn
Robin Anderson v (32)Tamara Korpatsch

(4)Misaki Doi v Kimberly Birrell
Arina Rodionova v Asia Muhammad
Naiktha Bains v Danielle Lao
Danka Kovinic v (25)Sachia Vickery

(9)Whitney Osuigwe v Cristina Bucsa
Shuai Peng v (wc)Samantha Murray
Fangzhou Liu v Deniz Khazaniuk
Patricia Maria Tig v (22)Paula Badosa

(11)Nao Hibino v Fanny Stollar
Katarzyna Kawa v (wc)Francesca Jones
Elena-Gabriela Ruse v Sesil Karatantcheva
Irina Bara v (18)Allie Kiick

(12)Ysaline Bonaventure v Jamie Loeb
(wc)Gabriella Taylor v Chloe Paquet
Ekaterine Gorgodze v Anna Bondar
Magdalena Frech v (26)Arantxa Rus

(14)Olga Danilovic v (wc)Eden Silva
Rebecca Sramkova v Amandine Hesse
Anna Zaja v Myrtille Georges
Paula Ormaechea v (17)Beatriz Haddad Maia

(16)Tereza Smitkova v Barbara Haas
Valeria Savinykh v Yanina Wickmayer
(wc)Maia Lumsden v Kaylah McPhee
Xinyun Han v (31)Liudmila Samsonova


That's generally not too bad. Could see 2 or 3 wins from those 8.
Paullow is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome