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Garcia behavior is childish. If she truly LOVES her country as she said she should be coming and play FOR HER COUNTRY. To save her country no matter what.
It is about assuming her responsibilities as french n°1 and world n°7! well it's just commun sense imo.

But if she doesn't understand it this way and let the team again well you can be sure France will have big difficulties to win this tie.
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Yes ! Totally childish, immature, pathetic behaviour from Garcia

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Caro won't be blamed. The whole French team has rotten because of Mladenovic's cattiness and Noah's ego. Caro is right to stay away from them.

Anyway who cares now about Fed Cup and Davis Cup? It's a pure waste of time and energy for the players. OG are enough.
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Yes ! Totally childish, immature, pathetic behaviour from Garcia

France really needed Kiki AND Garcia. If France loses to Belgium, Garcia is to blame
Kiki has to win 3 points on her own. And she's ready to do so she will give herself at 300% no matter what. This is the difference between her and Garcia.

I do hope Garcia to not play the Olympic Games, why play them when she reject Fed Cup?She doesn't deserve it imo.
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It is not because Kristina is talking about that almost every week that anyone else has to do the same. Caroline chose to not expose what she considerates as private, I don't see the problem here. You might want to know everything, but everyone don't have same idea as you about what has to be public or not.

private?coward move imo. She's hiding behind this silence.

Yeah, exactly why you should stop attacking her because she does not play. Try to follow what you are saying for once.
Are you doing drama when Serena, Venus, Muguruza, Sharapova are not playing FC? Because I did not hear you about them. Kerber, Goerges are not playing this tie neither, last year Pliskova, Strycova, Kvitova did not play some ties too. Weird we did not see you yelling that they need to grow up to rise higher.
Why I dont say a thing about the other countries?because I dont care about those nations. I AM FRENCH and I CARE ABOUT FRANCE. As the best french player Caroline has responsibilities. She refuse to assume them and of course she will be criticized for this. Like it or Not.
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Yes ! Totally childish, immature, pathetic behaviour from Garcia

France really needed Kiki AND Garcia. If France loses to Belgium, Garcia is to blame
Kiki has to win 3 points on her own. And she's ready to do so she will give herself at 300% no matter what. This is the difference between her and Garcia.
This is the best joke EVER. Who did not show up for that final in 2016? Who won the two points playing awesome when the other ones blew up? Your memory keeps only what she wants to keep. She had back issues, played on anti-inflammatory, and still won 2 rubbers when others have not been able to do anything. It's a bit easy to come and say that after.

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This French forum is as dysfunctional as the Fed Cup team...

Why you guys are incapable of understanding the other side is beyond me. Kiki is clearly really passionate about playing for her country, that's a fact, and YES she should be commended for it. She can also and has been a bitch to Garcia and has never apologized for it and most likely never will... WHICH is why the team is what it is today. She really is the one who can make things better, but she is unfortunately too proud to do so.

Now, Garcia also has to ask herself if she wants to be the outcast forever... I believe Cornet has apologized many times about the lol gate, I don't know about Parmentier. But anyway, she is the one in the top 10 and should now have enough confidence and pride to come back to the team and show them how it's done, and shut everyone up. Someone mentioned players from other countries skipping some rubbers or Fed Cup entirely, but it's rarely because of internal bitch fights. I have a feeling Garcia would probably come back at least part time if it wasn't for this ridiculous feud.

Garcia can be a bit immature, and Kiki can be a bit of a bitch and too proud. DONE!
That being said, go Kristina! Because I'd be surprised if Parmentier and Hesse bring a point...
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Unlike ameliemomo, I don't think the player I support has the perfect behaviour, but I understand her choice.
Of course I would like to see her back in this team, but for now seems like it is too soon for her. But at one point we need to be clear, if Caroline is not coming, yes it is because of all what Kristina said. I hope one day they will be able to at least play in the same team, and hopefully it will be soon. But I am not sure Caroline will be able for now to do that step. I have the feeling it needs to come from Kristina, so let's see what will happen for next tie. Maybe they will explain themselves...
Yes explications and apologizes from Alize happent, they are not friend but they are in better relationship, and I think it is a little better with Pauline too but I am not sure for that. Now it needs mostly to evolve with Kristina, and both of them needs to do a step to each other. If this happens, Kristina needs to definitely shut up on Caroline or it will be the same story ever and ever.

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Unlike ameliemomo, I don't think the player I support has the perfect behaviour, but I understand her choice.

Of course I would like to see her back in this team, but for now seems like it is too soon for her. But at one point we need to be clear, if Caroline is not coming, yes it is because of all what Kristina said. I hope one day they will be able to at least play in the same team, and hopefully it will be soon. But I am not sure Caroline will be able for now to do that step. I have the feeling it needs to come from Kristina, so let's see what will happen for next tie. Maybe they will explain themselves...

Yes explications and apologizes from Alize happent, they are not friend but they are in better relationship, and I think it is a little better with Pauline too but I am not sure for that. Now it needs mostly to evolve with Kristina, and both of them needs to do a step to each other. If this happens, Kristina needs to definitely shut up on Caroline or it will be the same story ever and ever.


First of all, you don't hear every week from Kristina of Caroline! Don't exaggerate it too much. The only reason you heard it often is because she is the best French player besides Caroline and she was asked about Fed cup and Garcia's decision of not playing fed cup a lot. Journalists have minor interests to ask Alize, no interest to Pauline or Amandine. Secondly, yes Kristina is always outspoken, so she never hided her disagreement and disappointment of Caroline's decision.

Caroline is so immature in how she dealt with this issue. Keeping silence is the solution? I believe that representing France is a big deal in her mind coz I've seen her play in previous years. You have to behave like an adult, doing what is the most important and putting aside the less important. What did Kristina said about if Caroline was to play--"I would play with her". Caroline did not make vocal announcement, but her choice spoke her mind--"I have issue with them"(I have to put "them"here, because unlike you I think she is in awkward relation with not merely Kristina but some fft coaches and officials) so I won't go to play aside ppl bothering me.

That is the difference btw how Kristina and Caroline handled the issue when both personally feel they are stumbled and unhappy abt sth. If you are mature enough, you are aware playing for your country outweighs anything else and you would not let anything stops you from doing so unless it's physical or judicial issue like Alize.

You kept asking Kristina to do sth yet you don't see Caroline's silence as much the issue as Kristina's talking about it. At least Kristina has made herself clear she wanted Caroline back to help the team. Caroline on the other hand kept mute and made the choice not to play again. So yes, if France lost the tie, the French No.1 is to blame. Everybody from her teammate to fft high profiles said they wanted and needed her back, but still she chose not to. If you cannot tell what is the most important and behave accordingly, then I really don't know how you justify yourself without defect and made it all others' fault.


I am really happy Kristina played close to her real level this week. The AO dubs title boosted her confidence enormously. From deep inside I'm also willing to believe she motivated herself for Fed Cup when we all know how much she values the honor of playing for France. I am so glad with how she played in St.Petersburg we can have more positive perspectives for Fed Cup. Allez team France! It is tough, but trust yourself for it!

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Unlike ameliemomo, I don't think the player I support has the perfect behaviour, but I understand her choice.

Of course I would like to see her back in this team, but for now seems like it is too soon for her. But at one point we need to be clear, if Caroline is not coming, yes it is because of all what Kristina said. I hope one day they will be able to at least play in the same team, and hopefully it will be soon. But I am not sure Caroline will be able for now to do that step. I have the feeling it needs to come from Kristina, so let's see what will happen for next tie. Maybe they will explain themselves...

Yes explications and apologizes from Alize happent, they are not friend but they are in better relationship, and I think it is a little better with Pauline too but I am not sure for that. Now it needs mostly to evolve with Kristina, and both of them needs to do a step to each other. If this happens, Kristina needs to definitely shut up on Caroline or it will be the same story ever and ever.


First of all, you don't hear every week from Kristina of Caroline! Don't exaggerate it too much. The only reason you heard it often is because she is the best French player besides Caroline and she was asked about Fed cup and Garcia's decision of not playing fed cup a lot. Journalists have minor interests to ask Alize, no interest to Pauline or Amandine. Secondly, yes Kristina is always outspoken, so she never hided her disagreement and disappointment of Caroline's decision.

Caroline is so immature in how she dealt with this issue. Keeping silence is the solution? I believe that representing France is a big deal in her mind coz I've seen her play in previous years. You have to behave like an adult, doing what is the most important and putting aside the less important. What did Kristina said about if Caroline was to play--"I would play with her". Caroline did not make vocal announcement, but her choice spoke her mind--"I have issue with them"(I have to put "them"here, because unlike you I think she is in awkward relation with not merely Kristina but some fft coaches and officials) so I won't go to play aside ppl bothering me.

That is the difference btw how Kristina and Caroline handled the issue when both personally feel they are stumbled and unhappy abt sth. If you are mature enough, you are aware playing for your country outweighs anything else and you would not let anything stops you from doing so unless it's physical or judicial issue like Alize.

You kept asking Kristina to do sth yet you don't see Caroline's silence as much the issue as Kristina's talking about it. At least Kristina has made herself clear she wanted Caroline back to help the team. Caroline on the other hand kept mute and made the choice not to play again. So yes, if France lost the tie, the French No.1 is to blame. Everybody from her teammate to fft high profiles said they wanted and needed her back, but still she chose not to. If you cannot tell what is the most important and behave accordingly, then I really don't know how you justify yourself without defect and made it all others' fault.


I am really happy Kristina played close to her real level this week. The AO dubs title boosted her confidence enormously. From deep inside I'm also willing to believe she motivated herself for Fed Cup when we all know how much she values the honor of playing for France. I am so glad with how she played in St.Petersburg we can have more positive perspectives for Fed Cup. Allez team France! It is tough, but trust yourself for it!

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I never said she is the best and her choices are the best, I said that I understand her choice. She had a very good friend and she heard now that they were not friend when playing together. She is very upset, and I think it is understandable.
Here at all tournaments we hear something that Kristina is saying on Caroline. So no it is not so easy. But it does not mean that we don't acknowledge the commitment of Kristina for the Fed Cup. It needs to not be mixed up. I am glad that we have at least Kristina in the team, and I hope they will win even if I don't believe that very much.
For Caroline it is not about being immature, she did not accept yet all what happent, and she wants to be sure that last year was not just a one shot time. She wants to be sure of what she is doing before coming back in the team in case coming back is putting her down. I also believe that she felt everyone, including staff, put her down with the story to not play last year, and that for her it is not easy. She will evolve and come back, hopefully soon.
But in the meantime, Kristina has really to do efforts to not jump on all questions she has regarding Caroline. I don't say it is her fault to answer them, it is her fault what she is saying. And sometimes she should think a little more before answering. Being rude with Caroline is the reason why we are here, believe it or not, it is the reason. Now it's up to them and both of them to fix that to be able to play in the same team.

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First of all, you don't hear every week from Kristina of Caroline! Don't exaggerate it too much. The only reason you heard it often is because she is the best French player besides Caroline and she was asked about Fed cup and Garcia's decision of not playing fed cup a lot. Journalists have minor interests to ask Alize, no interest to Pauline or Amandine. Secondly, yes Kristina is always outspoken, so she never hided her disagreement and disappointment of Caroline's decision.

Caroline is so immature in how she dealt with this issue. Keeping silence is the solution? I believe that representing France is a big deal in her mind coz I've seen her play in previous years. You have to behave like an adult, doing what is the most important and putting aside the less important. What did Kristina said about if Caroline was to play--"I would play with her". Caroline did not make vocal announcement, but her choice spoke her mind--"I have issue with them"(I have to put "them"here, because unlike you I think she is in awkward relation with not merely Kristina but some fft coaches and officials) so I won't go to play aside ppl bothering me.

That is the difference btw how Kristina and Caroline handled the issue when both personally feel they are stumbled and unhappy abt sth. If you are mature enough, you are aware playing for your country outweighs anything else and you would not let anything stops you from doing so unless it's physical or judicial issue like Alize.

You kept asking Kristina to do sth yet you don't see Caroline's silence as much the issue as Kristina's talking about it. At least Kristina has made herself clear she wanted Caroline back to help the team. Caroline on the other hand kept mute and made the choice not to play again. So yes, if France lost the tie, the French No.1 is to blame. Everybody from her teammate to fft high profiles said they wanted and needed her back, but still she chose not to. If you cannot tell what is the most important and behave accordingly, then I really don't know how you justify yourself without defect and made it all others' fault.


I am really happy Kristina played close to her real level this week. The AO dubs title boosted her confidence enormously. From deep inside I'm also willing to believe she motivated herself for Fed Cup when we all know how much she values the honor of playing for France. I am so glad with how she played in St.Petersburg we can have more positive perspectives for Fed Cup. Allez team France! It is tough, but trust yourself for it!

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Why Caroline decision can not be seen as a decision easy to accept and understand. At the difference of the others "big tennis nations" (USA,CZE,GER) those have so many good players.
In France we have Caro and Kiki. Who can be the 3rd player?we saw Alize struggle big in this competition... Pauline?she's brave but her level is not enough among all those top players. Amandine?she's an itf player. So we have no equivalent quality player.
She knows it and can not not know this fact and she stays silenced. Jow it is a matter of being adults, this is not Only Kiki fault, in a querel you have to be 2. Each has her faults. Alyssa is right when she says Caroline acting like a child, not an adult and I dont see her father making any effort to make her become more mature... A honest and true discussion has to happen to make it clear and enable them to go forward. She wasn't brave enough to take this "opportunity" to affirm herself as a true force with big personality. I wished she would make this kind of decision, instand she let her country down.
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It would be too easy for Caroline to come back just like that without any apologies. She has gone though a lot and has always chosen to deal with this nightmare silently, because she is a classy person. Caro was seriously bullied by Kristina and the rest of the team. Now she only wants to be kept out of this viper's pit and that is her right. It is a sign of maturity. Girl has grown up and made a decision. Too bad it doesn't fit your interests.
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It would be too easy for Caroline to come back just like that without any apologies. She has gone though a lot and has always chosen to deal with this nightmare silently, because she is a classy person. Caro was seriously bullied by Kristina and the rest of the team. Now she only wants to be kept out of this viper's pit and that is her right. It is a sign of maturity. Girl has grown up and made a decision. Too bad it doesn't fit your interests.
don't see staying silenced and doing nothing when your country needs help as a sign of wisdom. To get apologies you should be ready to have a discussion, she must herself accept to make some excuses but she's not ready for this. It is not about being "classy" there. In fact she penalizes her country. Where is the good? my interests?ahaha thank you but I only care about the french fed cup team here, already made a cross on Caroline because of her behavior...
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she doesn't care about fed cup cause according to her it brings nothing to her career...
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she doesn't care about fed cup cause according to her it brings nothing to her career...
Ridiculous ...

Mauresmo, Pierce and Noah should have a talk with Dodin !

Also Fed Cup for example helped Sasnovich and Sabalenka A LOT for their WTA career !
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