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Im pretty sure Duval, King, and possibly Hampton(fingers crossed its a real comeback) will be using SEs. Thats just the Americans i know of. The increase in prize money has def driven the cutoff for Aus Open qualifying up.
Yeah so with Duval and Vania entering, that puts the MD cutoff at #106. And #105 if Jamie uses hers too.

Does anyone know if there is a limit to the number of SRs that can be used and if so, how many?
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Yeah so with Duval and Vania entering, that puts the MD cutoff at #106. And #105 if Jamie uses hers too.

Does anyone know if there is a limit to the number of SRs that can be used and if so, how many?
I'm pretty sure it's limitless. But just to make sure, let's check with @Meelis
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Chirico's played five straight weeks on a different continent, maybe she can see the bigger picture and doesn't want to run herself into the ground chasing a MD place? It's not as if she was anywhere near the MD cut-off until last week so she probably considers it good fortune if she does make it in.
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Well, to be technical, no she is not in. Sure, she has a good chance to get in. But she is currently OUT. Allertova was 1st out last year at #110. So again, it's not guaranteed Chirico will get in at #109.

Also, you are probably thinking about the qualifying draw cutoff being lower historically in previous years, however, that seems to be a thing of the past where a player in the 220+ range gets into the AO. With the increase of prize money for slam qualies, a lot of players are making the trip now. Last year the cutoff was #214 - Barbieri.
109 is precisely one spot higher than 110, and the 108th highest ranked player at the moment that will enter the Australian Open given Pennetta's retirement. We don't know who is using an SR to get in yet, nor do we know who is going to withdraw. So, yeah, at the moment, she's in. But that isn't my point. She probably outperformed her own expectations in Limoges, and was never planning on playing here in the first place. And if Chirico's priority was getting into the Australian, she'd have ditched Europe, come back to the US, and cleaned up at the wildcard events. Instead she chose to stay in Europe for the French indoor circuit events.

Was this the first year recently where the cutoff was so high in qualies? I remember it generally being right around where Muhammad is in the rankings now, like the 230s or so. So you're right, Muhammad might not get in in singles, but she will be there, which gives her a better position if there's an alt needed or something. Also, she could never have expected playing in the qualies in singles in Australia was going to factor into the equation. I doubt she came into the last three weeks expecting to cut her singles ranking by 160 spots, so if she makes it into the AO it'll be a bonus, and she can focus on staying on the main doubles tour and elevating her ranking enough to get into the qualies at the French. Hopefully. No shame in her ending up being a doubles specialist either, the US seems to have a few of those coming up as well. Melichar, for example, who ended the year well with Jurak.
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Does anyone know if there is a limit to the number of SRs that can be used
Not limited.
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And I dunno how many people remember, but Jamie posted on the board, I think like five years or so ago.
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And I dunno how many people remember, but Jamie posted on the board, I think like five years or so ago.
She gave us a rundown of all the US juniors at the time and I think turned out to be right about almost all of them. Shaded Vandeweghe's character too.
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She gave us a rundown of all the US juniors at the time and I think turned out to be right about almost all of them. Shaded Vandeweghe's character too.
I remember her posting the challengers forum when she was getting ready to play events. She was extremely sweet. Between seeing her play and actually having spoken with her, it's impossible for me not to want to wish her the best, she's had a few injuries at the worst times in her career, and I would love nothing more than to see Jamie be able to make a go of it without her body holding her back.
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109 is precisely one spot higher than 110, and the 108th highest ranked player at the moment that will enter the Australian Open given Pennetta's retirement. We don't know who is using an SR to get in yet, nor do we know who is going to withdraw. So, yeah, at the moment, she's in. But that isn't my point. She probably outperformed her own expectations in Limoges, and was never planning on playing here in the first place. And if Chirico's priority was getting into the Australian, she'd have ditched Europe, come back to the US, and cleaned up at the wildcard events. Instead she chose to stay in Europe for the French indoor circuit events.

Was this the first year recently where the cutoff was so high in qualies? I remember it generally being right around where Muhammad is in the rankings now, like the 230s or so. So you're right, Muhammad might not get in in singles, but she will be there, which gives her a better position if there's an alt needed or something. Also, she could never have expected playing in the qualies in singles in Australia was going to factor into the equation. I doubt she came into the last three weeks expecting to cut her singles ranking by 160 spots, so if she makes it into the AO it'll be a bonus, and she can focus on staying on the main doubles tour and elevating her ranking enough to get into the qualies at the French. Hopefully. No shame in her ending up being a doubles specialist either, the US seems to have a few of those coming up as well. Melichar, for example, who ended the year well with Jurak.
Fair enough about Chirico not really knowing that she would find herself in this position. It does show a lot of confidence for her to opt to play in Europe during the indoor season rather than play the string of USTA events and possibly get that WC. Also, with the $125K in Taiwan and then the $125K in Carlsbad, a lot of players could potentially pass Chirico. If I were to guess, I would say she will miss out on the MD. But I don't really want to keep going back and forth about her being in or not at this point, so let's just agree to disagree

I cannot say for sure if this was the first year that it was this high, however, I can say that with the big increases in qualifying prize money and prize money for the earlier rounds, I believe you should expect the cutoff numbers to be pretty similar to this going forward.

2014 the cutoff was around #222 - still 10 spots away from Asia. Well, Asia's scheduling has always been terrible. It's a big part of the reason why her singles career has never quite panned out. I finally liked this move by her to play these 6 events in Australia.

1 $15K (1R)
3 $25K (2R, 2R, SF)
2 $50K (W, SF)

She really left a lot of points on the table here. And my whole point about this is that she should have at least entered in this $125K. The fact that it is also in her home state is a bit of a It really was not out of the realm of possibilities for her to pick up some big points during this swing considering Australian events are known to be pretty weak.

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Peng will most likely enter with SR at AO.

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Peng will most likely enter with SR at AO.
Possibly 4 SRs for the AO now
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Wang passed Chirico (and Voegele can also pass her with a F in Taipei) which means she is not currently directly in with Pennetta retiring. It was pretty obvious she was not going to make the MD directly at #109 with many tournaments left to go, not sure what point you were trying to make with that, @Babolatpro880 .

However with that being said, I don't agree with those saying Chirico should have busted her ass to the States to play this event. She isn't at a place in her career where she should be worrying about MD acceptance for the slams. It will do her well to play qualies and get more match experience. I think she has had a very healthy career progression up to this point (especially compared to Townsend, the other American '96) and I would hate to see her skip steps. I think direct acceptance for RG is a much better goal for her.
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Fair enough about Chirico not really knowing that she would find herself in this position. It does show a lot of confidence for her to opt to play in Europe during the indoor season rather than play the string of USTA events and possibly get that WC. Also, with the $125K in Taiwan and then the $125K in Carlsbad, a lot of players could potentially pass Chirico. If I were to guess, I would say she will miss out on the MD. But I don't really want to keep going back and forth about her being in or not at this point, so let's just agree to disagree

I cannot say for sure if this was the first year that it was this high, however, I can say that with the big increases in qualifying prize money and prize money for the earlier rounds, I believe you should expect the cutoff numbers to be pretty similar to this going forward.

2014 the cutoff was around #222 - still 10 spots away from Asia. Well, Asia's scheduling has always been terrible. It's a big part of the reason why her singles career has never quite panned out. I finally liked this move by her to play these 6 events in Australia.

1 $15K (1R)
3 $25K (2R, 2R, SF)
2 $50K (W, SF)

She really left a lot of points on the table here. And my whole point about this is that she should have at least entered in this $125K. The fact that it is also in her home state is a bit of a It really was not out of the realm of possibilities for her to pick up some big points during this swing considering Australian events are known to be pretty weak.
Honestly, I don't expect her to make the main draw. I get technical, and right now, she would be in. But I think her choice to stay in Europe was a good one, overall. Her loss to Witthoeft in Poitiers notwithstanding, which wasn't so bad in and of itself considering it was 7-5 in the third, it's possible she benefited more rankings-wise and money-wise by staying in France after Lux. Had she swept all three of the American circuit events, sh'ed have gotten about 22K and 240 pts in total. Granted, not super likely she would've won all three. But let's say she won one and got to the semis of the other two, which I'm sure would've ensured her WC into the AO. That earns her about 12k, and 138 points. She earned about 14K in France, and 124 points in Nantes and Limoges. Obviously what happened in the US would've depended on the draws and such, so those would be the minimum really required to have been better rankings-wise. But I think that Limgoes was probably her last event of the season. One thing I really noticed about Chirico's scheduling is that she really seems to want to prepare herself directly for the tour, not just play enough tournaments to get her ranking up or get awarded a WC. I mean that because, yeah, she did get the French Open wildcard via the challenger race, but the tour itself was on clay then. Looking at her schedule, she really played about an equal number of challengers and WTA events, but, I know this sounds strange, when she was playing challengers, it was like she wanted to mirror the WTA schedule. 25k Sunrise excluded, when she played challengers they reflected the Tour, not just convenience location-wise necessarily. The perfect example is at the end of the year here, where the tour is played indoors in Europe. Rather than go home and play outdoors, she stayed in Europe playing indoors. To me that's important, if any of that actually made sense

TOTALLY agree with what you said about Asia and her scheduling. It's been literally forever since I saw her play, because TC showed the Vegas challenger a while back because they sponsored it and Muhammad was featured at one point because she went to Agassi's academy in Nevada. Her forehand reminded me a bit of what Sloane's is like, and I was sure she was gonna be top 100 STAT. This was I believe '08, because she made the final that year, but it might have been '07. She's been all over the place since, and finally landed in the top 100 in doubles. And sure, she knows these challengers are weak, that's why she went there instead of losing early in all the US challengers, but I doubt that going very nearly outside the top 400, she had any expectations of raising her ranking enough that singles at the AO would even be in the equation. I think she was looking for a rankings boost, yes, but she's never been ranked high enough to get directly into GS qualifying, and she came out of all this with career high rankings in singles and doubles and the majority of her prize money for the year coming in the last three weeks. It's awesome, but I dunno, with there not being any top fifty players entering does that free up any WCs or does it just free up MD spots?
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On a total tangent, why do the draws of Dailan, Taipei, and Limoges have prize money amounts that are off? Dailan and Taipei are listed on their drawsheets as 115K USD, and Limoges is in Euros but amounts to about 100K. Nanchang and Hua Hin both are listed as 125K. It's just weird?
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