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Can't see the forest for the trees...but would rather steal other's identities, culture and history while slandering the very people they're impersonating and steal it from.

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I still think that mankind developed out of several strings of humans with Homo Sapiens having the upper hand.

The history of mankind is not very old and evolution takes a lot of time and with humans looking so different it makes it hard to believe that it happened like that so fast to a population leaving Africa some 110,000 years (~4500 generations) ago.

In Europe they met Neandertal man, nobody knows where they came from yet. But everybody knows, that current Man has about 2% Neandertal DNA, Asians even more than Caucasians.

In Japan, Ainu natives have more European features than East Asian ones. So developing East Asians features can not solely be an evolutionary one.

This is all very exciting, hope I will get the solution to some more of these things within my lifetime.
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I'd be mad if I had ancestors from another species too
Everybody does, unless you don't believe in Evolution.
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I still think that mankind developed out of several strings of humans with Homo Sapiens having the upper hand.

The history of mankind is not very old and evolution takes a lot of time and with humans looking so different it makes it hard to believe that it happened like that so fast to a population leaving Africa some 110,000 years (~4500 generations) ago.

In Europe they met Neandertal man, nobody knows where they came from yet. But everybody knows, that current Man has about 2% Neandertal DNA, Asians even more than Caucasians.

In Japan, Ainu natives have more European features than East Asian ones. So developing East Asians features can not solely be an evolutionary one.

This is all very exciting, hope I will get the solution to some more of these things within my lifetime.
All homos came out of Africa.

Ainu are from the haplogroup originating in the Tibet region.

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Ainu are from the haplogroup originating in the Tibet region.
This is disputed.

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However, we did not find a genetic connection between the Ainu and populations of the Tibetan plateau, rejecting their long-held hypothetical connection based on Y chromosome data. Unlike all other East Asian populations investigated, the Ainu have a closer genetic relationship with northeast Siberians than with central Siberians, suggesting ancient connections among populations around the Sea of Okhotsk.
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I believe a hairless alien (God) had sex with a monkey (Mary) and the first man (Jesus) was born.
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I should have been more specific and said recent ancestors

Not all of us have neanderthal blood

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I should have been more specific and said recent ancestors

Not all of us have neanderthal blood
Most likely we all have blood from different groups of ancestors, most of them not discovered yet (or ever). Neanderthals are simply best known because geographically they populated Europe where earliest findings were conducted (due to good climate and the development of science).
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Half the tennis forum members are neanderthal. I kid you not.
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This is disputed.

https://www.genetics.org/content/202/1/261

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However, we did not find a genetic connection between the Ainu and populations of the Tibetan plateau, rejecting their long-held hypothetical connection based on Y chromosome data. Unlike all other East Asian populations investigated, the Ainu have a closer genetic relationship with northeast Siberians than with central Siberians, suggesting ancient connections among populations around the Sea of Okhotsk.
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However, we did not find a genetic connection between the Ainu and populations of the Tibetan plateau,
They contradict that later saying:

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Therefore, even if the presence of the D-M174 haplogroup in the Ainu and Tibetans is due to shared ancestry, the shared history of these populations was short and left only a weak genome-wide signature of shared variation in their gene pools.
So, instead of the Ainu ancestors coming from Tibet (as I had previously read,) both Tibet and Ainu ancestors came from more in the area of Thailand according to this study. And that weak connection would be due to it being a long time ago. Ainu ancestors have been in Japan since 20,000 years ago or so. The common ancestor with what would become Tibetans is maybe 30,000 years ago or more. And since Japanese ancestors didn't get to Japan until a few thousands years ago there is a long time for those "East Asian features" to have developed since the Ainu ancestors left south-east Asia (and connecting with northeast Siberians in the meantime).

Back to the Neanderthal thing, they couldn't have evolved separately, as you and me couldn't have Neanderthal DNA, as Homo sapiens and Neanderthals (and Densivons, too) wouldn't be able to procreate with each other.

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Most likely we all have blood from different groups of ancestors, most of them not discovered yet (or ever). Neanderthals are simply best known because geographically they populated Europe where earliest findings were conducted (due to good climate and the development of science).
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This is based on?
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I don't know if this has made the news outside Germany had, it's brand new.

In Germany, they have discovered something which might considered a super early man, walking upright and so, which has lived 11,6 million years ago. Remember Lucy, who is up until now considered one of the first "humans" is 3,2 million years old.

If all that proves to be true, the "Out of Africa" theory might be just dust.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danuvius_guggenmosi

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A Google translate version (slightly tweaked by me to improve the translation).

Danuvius guggenmosi is an extinct species of ape which lived about twelve million years ago. It was first described in 2019 by Madelaine Böhme and her team.

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The 11.62-million-year-old Danuvius was discovered in the Hammerschmiede clay pit in the municipality of Pforzen in the Swabian district of Ostallgäu. Between 2015 and 2018 the paleontologists unearthed a total of 37 individual finds, representing about 15% of the entire skeleton of the primate. Among them were fully preserved arm and leg bones, vertebrae, finger and toe bones. The good state of conservation of the fossil skeleton is astonishing for its age and allowed for the accurate analysis of functionally important joints and the similarity to today's modern humans was noticed.

Technically, the dentition of Danuvius resembles Dryopithecus and other European apes of the late Miocene. It had a broad chest and a spine, which like modern man's is S-shaped. The extended hips and knees indicate an upright biped, but its elongated front legs are more reminiscent of a climbing monkey. With these features, Danuvius marks an intermediate stage between tree and primary earth-dwelling apes.

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The name of the genus is derived from the Celtic-Roman river god Danuvius and refers to the site in the catchment area of ​​the Danube. The epithet guggenmosi honours the discoverer of the Hammerschmiede site, the Allgäu amateur archaeologist Sigulf Guggenmos (1941-2018).

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I don't know if this has made the news outside Germany had, it's brand new.

In Germany, they have discovered something which might considered a super early man, walking upright and so, which has lived 11,6 million years ago. Remember Lucy, who is up until now considered one of the first "humans" is 3,2 million years old.

If all that proves to be true, the "Out of Africa" theory might be just dust.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danuvius_guggenmosi
This doesn't have anything to do with the "out of Africa" theory.

This is only about when bi-pedalism may have begun.

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