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I wonder why people want to make a big deal about their law? If you don't like or agree with it, just don't go to their country and have sex (if you're gay that is!)
Also, Brunei is an Islamic country, so their population majority is Muslim people, so I am very sure they are well aware of what their religion is, including what they can or cannot do or under their shariah law.
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I wonder why people want to make a big deal about their law? If you don't like or agree with it, just don't go to their country and have sex (if you're gay that is!)
Also, Brunei is an Islamic country, so their population majority is Muslim people, so I am very sure they are well aware of what their religion is, including what they can or cannot do or under their shariah law.
But it's not just if you're gay.

Having sex and being unmarried is adultery and is subject to the death penalty by stoning.

If you're gay they throw you off of a high building like ISIS does/did.

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Part and parcel of living in an Islamic Monarchy.
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News like this I'm kinda numb to now 'cause the outrage is always selective.
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I wonder why people want to make a big deal about their law? If you don't like or agree with it, just don't go to their country and have sex (if you're gay that is!)
Also, Brunei is an Islamic country, so their population majority is Muslim people, so I am very sure they are well aware of what their religion is, including what they can or cannot do or under their shariah law.
You completely missed the point.

We're not talking about the law, we're talking about human rights.

So, is it OK to killing people for who they are? Don't give me the "it's their law" bullshit.
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I wonder why people want to make a big deal about their law? If you don't like or agree with it, just don't go to their country and have sex (if you're gay that is!)
Also, Brunei is an Islamic country, so their population majority is Muslim people, so I am very sure they are well aware of what their religion is, including what they can or cannot do or under their shariah law.
Didn’t you forget something when you say that people should just stay away and it is no big deal?

I am referring to the people of Brunei.
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You completely missed the point.

We're not talking about the law, we're talking about human rights.

So, is it OK to killing people for who they are? Don't give me the "it's their law" bullshit.
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But it's not just if you're gay.

Having sex and being unmarried is adultery and is subject to the death penalty by stoning.

If you're gay they throw you off of a high building like ISIS does/did.
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Didn’t you forget something when you say that people should just stay away and it is no big deal?

I am referring to the people of Brunei.
I know that you're referring to human rights as a whole and I am sure that many other people say that Islamic is "close-minded" or "cruel" but that is what it is in their religion which doesn't condone such acts, even it does not sound right to other people (normally people with different religious understanding), sometimes we just have to respect their beliefs. And like other poster mentioned, this is what you get when living in the Islamic monarchy ruled country. They will simply refer to their religion to make the necessary laws. Due to that, for sure some of their laws may affect or limit some human right. And like I mentioned, the Muslim community know that those acts are not accepted under their shariah law and they just have to obey it. I don't think any Bruneian people (the Muslim people especially) is going to challenge that, even that means they can't be themselves. I think my point inclines more towards their religion than human rights, which I believe all of you think this is absurd. Like it or hate it, we have to just accept it. Or else the only option is that we move out and migrate to other places. The country will not change their rules/laws based on the minority, and what so what the foreigner thinks.
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I know that you're referring to human rights as a whole and I am sure that many other people say that Islamic is "close-minded" or "cruel" but that is what it is in their religion which doesn't condone such acts, even it does not sound right to other people (normally people with different religious understanding), sometimes we just have to respect their beliefs. And like other poster mentioned, this is what you get when living in the Islamic monarchy ruled country. They will simply refer to their religion to make the necessary laws. Due to that, for sure some of their laws may affect or limit some human right. And like I mentioned, the Muslim community know that those acts are not accepted under their shariah law and they just have to obey it. I don't think any Bruneian people (the Muslim people especially) is going to challenge that, even that means they can't be themselves. I think my point inclines more towards their religion than human rights, which I believe all of you think this is absurd. Like it or hate it, we have to just accept it. Or else the only option is that we move out and migrate to other places. The country will not change their rules/laws based on the minority, and what so what the foreigner thinks.
So people in western europe wouldn't and shouldn't be outraged if they were to lose all basic human rights to canon law from the vatican? If India made the Hindu caste system legal again? If the several Islamic countries already banning Shariah law were to reinstate it? People should just accept this because it's their religion?
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So people in western europe wouldn't and shouldn't be outraged if they were to lose all basic human rights to canon law from the vatican? If India made the Hindu caste system legal again? If the several Islamic countries already banning Shariah law were to reinstate it? People should just accept this because it's their religion?
Yes, the poster says that we just have to accept their beliefs. That is wrong for a start. Although it is not clear if the meaning is that we should accept it in the sense of being OK, or accept in the sense of being able to do nothing about it.

But the poster does not seem to be aware that the country is an absolute monarchy, so it is not a matter of "their beliefs."
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I never said we should ignore them, I expressed my astonishment at the wonder, as if it was the only country in the world that behaves like this, and Clooney's call to boycott sounds ridiculous to me. He tries to get attention or is ignorant and unaware that there are other countries that behave like this?

the discussion in the world got buzz bc of george thats all
I am not sure where you are going with this, but I get the impression you are just using it to keep hammering home that all Islamic countries are uncivilized, so no big deal.

Clooney is speaking out on this latest outrage because it is happening now.

In all your posts here I never heard any concern for the possible victims of the new law, but just a repetition, over and over again, that nobody should be surprised when Muslims act uncivilized.
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I am not sure where you are going with this, but I get the impression you are just using it to keep hammering home that all Islamic countries are uncivilized, so no big deal.

Clooney is speaking out on this latest outrage because it is happening now.

In all your posts here I never heard any concern for the possible victims of the new law, but just a repetition, over and over again, that nobody should be surprised when Muslims act uncivilized.
i didnt know russia was islamic country. read a few posts backwards.

nope, clooney just wants a few headlines and attantion thats all, he know pretty well That homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in a number of countries in the world so suddenly it jumps because of Brunei? He is aware and knows very well that it did not start in Brunei and did not end in this lonely country and therefore I called him a hypocrite.

Anyone who has a little heart and a little brain will feel worried about the situation. I do not need to mention the obvious that I was worried about gay men, especially when I told a few months ago that my sister came out of the closet.

and no im not surprised at all that every country that follow the sharia law act as uncivilized

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nope, clooney just wants a few headlines and attantion thats all, he know pretty well That homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in a number of countries in the world so suddenly it jumps because of Brunei? He is aware and knows very well that it did not start in Brunei and did not end in this lonely country and therefore I called him a hypocrite.
first of all, it's so annoying when someone is speaking out and raising awareness about a topic, and people's only reaction is "but what about that other thing!". no. we're talking about THIS thing right now.

secondly, it's especially non-productive in the case of clooney, who's been political on all different matters both privately and in his work. so i fail to see in what way his call to action is "ridiculous" and he himself is a "hypocrite".

what he's saying is that all consumers should be aware that in the end it's them who have the power. a single person's decision on what they spend money on does make a difference.
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I wonder why people want to make a big deal about their law? If you don't like or agree with it, just don't go to their country and have sex (if you're gay that is!)
Also, Brunei is an Islamic country, so their population majority is Muslim people, so I am very sure they are well aware of what their religion is, including what they can or cannot do or under their shariah law.
what about the people living there?
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what about the people living there?
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People can always move out from Brunei There are Sabah and Sarawak, or even Kalimantan nearby. While it could be troublesome for them to be who they are there in Brunei but it's not like they totally has no chance to flaunt themselves, even the article did mention they can always go to the nearby cities for clubbing or do whatever they like, as long as they are outside the Brunei border and not get caught. I'm sure people can adapt to some changes especially for their 'survival'.
It's not like Brunei is an ideal place to live anyway.
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