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His stance is based on the works of 19th and 20th century anthropologists that did fieldwork in South-America, Africa and Oceania. The general consensus between anthropologists is that cultures develop differently and independently from each other and there is no saying that one is superior to other, because there is no criteria to objectively assess that superiority.

I agree with that assessment in the context of making comparisons between cultures from different continents that don't share anything common and are not influenced by one another. But in Europe for example, there is no question that some cultures are just more appealing than others. But it's usually for good reasons. For example compare Estonian culture to French culture. Estonians have been subordinates to bigger powers for over 700 years experiencing serfdom etc. that handicaps any kind of cultural development. During the times of Enlightenment in France when French people started to view themselves as French and they started to embrace their own traditions, Estonians were slaves doing farm work for the Russian Empire. Based on this we can conclude that there haven't been very good enabling conditions for Estonian culture to flourish in the past centuries in this case, it shouldn't be wrong to say that one culture is superior to the other, but one should always think of the reasons behind it.

However, when one starts saying that for example French culture is superior to Guarani people from South America then that's obviously bs.

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To me this underlines especially how the people can be proud of their country and about to defend it fanatically no matter what, because they were educated that way. You have to wonder how they are conditionned from birth and at school about the history of their country, their beliefs, their morals, what you call "culture" overall.

Well. Imagine you're from Bulgaria. Your country used to be one of the biggest and most powerful Empires in Europe and has history of conquest and glory. Then the Turks come, you are turned into a slave for 400 years, then you fight for your freedom and regain some of that old glory, economy flourishes, everything is going good. Then WW2 comes and you lose the glory you just gained, you become a satellite state for the Soviet Union, your country goes into a 50 year long degeneration. Now you're in European Union, you're one of the poorest countries there. Life is shit, everyone is poor and desperate. Some European tourists from Western Europe come to drink your cheap booze, bang your females and vomit all over your streets. Then you make conversation with them and find out that for the same job you're doing they make 5 times more money. Then you start thinking about the glory days of the First and Second Bulgarian Empires and realize that your people used to be up in the world too. Then some soft person from a Western country that has never faced hardship comes with a questionnaire and asks whether you feel that your culture is superior to others. What do you think the response will be?


If Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria would be top 5 in GDP in Europe and they were ex-colonizers that have raped and pillaged all over the world, then I think the percentages would be much lower indeed.
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Well. Imagine you're from Bulgaria. Your country used to be one of the biggest and most powerful Empires in Europe and has history of conquest and glory. Then the Turks come, you are turned into a slave for 400 years, then you fight for your freedom and regain some of that old glory, economy flourishes, everything is going good. Then WW2 comes and you lose the glory you just gained, you become a satellite state for the Soviet Union, your country goes into a 50 year long degeneration. Now you're in European Union, you're one of the poorest countries there. Life is shit, everyone is poor and desperate. Some European tourists from Western Europe come to drink your cheap booze, bang your females and vomit all over your streets. Then you make conversation with them and find out that for the same job you're doing they make 5 times more money. Then you start thinking about the glory days of the First and Second Bulgarian Empires and realize that your people used to be up in the world too. Then some soft person from a Western country that has never faced hardship comes with a questionnaire and asks whether you feel that your culture is superior to others. What do you think the response will be?


If Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria would be top 5 in GDP in Europe and they were ex-colonizers that have raped and pillaged all over the world, then I think the percentages would be much lower indeed.
I prefer my sensible post above and avoid the "bang, vomit, rape, pillage" and other gross imagery...

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I prefer my sensible post above and avoid the "bang, vomit, rape, pillage" and other gross imagery...
Yet all those things happen. So what's so insensible about it? I gave examples and possible reasons of why the percentages are higher in certain countries. Not even in a direct reply to what you said. Just for some clarification. "gross imagery" was added for a bit more dramatic effect, exaggeration purposes. Looks like it was too vile for some people. Already one cultural difference between East and West.
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Yet all those things happen. So what's so insensible about it? I gave examples and possible reasons of why the percentages are higher in certain countries. Not even in a direct reply to what you said. Just for some clarification. "gross imagery" was added for a bit more dramatic effect, exaggeration purposes. Looks like it was too vile for some people. Already one cultural difference between East and West.
I think you didn't need to exaggerate to make your point. I get your point, but while you could only mean to serve your purpose with manichean and partial realities, you suggested more to caricature the West as a hardship over the East. I know some people these days like to compare the European Union to the Soviet Union... one can wonder if it's really nuanced.

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This "survey" is designed in a way to get the exact results that they want. And is stereotypical in its own way. It really falls victim to the same hurdle that the participants in the survey did.
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This "survey" is designed in a way to get the exact results that they want.


Surveys may be mistaken and meaningless, but plotting paranoia has really become a plague on social media.

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true indeed, the only country that has a Quarter in the old town in jerusalem. the old town is divided into 4 Quarters, the muslim, the jewish, the christian and.....the Armenian
Really? I didn‘t know that. Thanks

BTW, our president is right now in Israel and is due to speak in the Knesset. Please be nice to him, he is an old and tired man
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Really? I didn‘t know that. Thanks

BTW, our president is right now in Israel and is due to speak in the Knesset. Please be nice to him, he is an old and tired man

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Chad President is Visiting Israel for the first time since 1972, arnt you from Czech Republic?

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Miloš „Chad president“ Zeman
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Speaking from what I know (my country which is France), with every government, there are tendencies to change the focus of the history we learn at school (children's school). Some governments try to open historical perspectives to the outside world, some will tend to keep the view from a very French-centric way, as to make the French more patriot or nationalistic.

In the last years some of our presidents (Chirac, Hollande, Macron, made official apologies for human crimes of the past in various wars), and it made cringe a lot of other intellectuals or Historians who grew very proud of their country, with the idea that their country could do no wrong, or that every reason to make those crimes were valuable (and you can imagine the endless arguments in many details of History).
This is the inherent problem of all big and influential countries whose impact has often gone far beyond their borders and France as a former colonial power is a textbook example.

In France, maybe Napoleon embodies this never-ending conflict best - an extremely influential 'self-mademan' with lots of positives and negatives. Some love him, some hate him.
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In France, maybe Napoleon embodies this never-ending conflict best - an extremely influential 'self-mademan' with lots of positives and negatives. Some love him, some hate him.
You've got it right.

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Chad President is Visiting Israel for the first time since 1972, arnt you from Czech Republic?
Yes. He should be speaking in the parliament, but his speech reportedly collides with a vote of non-confidence against the current cabinet. Bad timing
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You've got it right.
BTW, if I go by the sheer visitor numbers, France is easily one of those countries that can claim ‘our culture is one of the best‘, as it is consistently ranked as the world's most visited country.

Every year, people from the world over vote with their hard earned dollars, pounds or yens that the cultural mix that France offers - cuisine, architecture, historical sights, museums, exhibitions, fashion, opera, shopping, lifestyle, nature - is better than what any other country has to offer and they come for a visit in numbers no other country can match.
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