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Sorry if I sound rude, but this means your knowledge of them is so limited that you probably shouldn't say much on the issue.
it does sound rude, i traveled to asia and been to china. have you?

the fact that two cultures are different doesnt mean they are not equal and I measure them throughout history not by the last fifty years. There is no doubt that the Japanese are superior to the Chinese if we take the last 50-100 years.
I'm sorry, but I can't understand what you mean by different but not equal.

But anyway, saying that they are equal can get a lot of people offended, I can tell you that.

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We desperately need maps about "intolerance to SJWs". I hope the East goes >90%.

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You can say that about everything that we share our opinion.

I measure cultures in numbers, ideas, adaptation, contributions etc etc.

Cold numbers and facts
So that's a collection of flaws.

1) Cold numbers and facts don't make understand cultures

2) Understanding other cultures makes you aware yours isn't necessarily superior (if you understand that everyone considers his own superior for living it, as a citizen or a patriot)

3) Understanding different cultures may add new criteria to consider what's superior or not, or possibly make delete the word "superior" itself from the vocabulary.

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This coincides with the most atheist countries of Europe. Muslims must be too religious for their liking. Muslims may be not interested to live there either. They would struggle to acclimatize.

But who knows, in the next century, with the global warming...

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The numbers on accepting muslims as members of the family is disappointing, especially in the UK and Germany

in what way disappointed?
you hoped for higher or lower?

i think the Germans lied.
I guess the acceptance of a muslim in Family would be lower, they just lied.
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Gay marriage question aside, they look like probing/leading questions that don't look like they're asking the 'real' questions.

Obviously the culture question is Islam related as what other non-European culture is at the forefront of European discourse ATM? Japanese? If they'd simply asked 'Do you think your culture is superior to Islamic culture?' I doubt even the Swedes would say 26% yes .
probing/leading question? "Do you think your culture is superior to Islamic culture?" is a probing/leading question.

Thinking your culture is superior means thinking it is superior to any other not just a specific or specific ones.

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This coincides with the most atheist countries of Europe. Muslims must be too religious for their liking. Muslims may be not interested to live there either. They would struggle to acclimatize.

But who knows, in the next century, with the global warming...
I thought the super-atheist Czechia would be easily No. 1 until I saw Armenia

I occasionally visit a fast-food run by Armenians and they have proudly hanged up a poster with Armenian countryside inside the restaurant and the poster features a big Christian Church with some mountains and a few commie blocks in the background.

Some even claim Armenia is the world's oldest Christian country, having officially embraced this religion in 301 AD
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89% of Greeks thinking their culture is superior to others I can only really understand Norwegians thinking that
I love me some Norway, but in what universe is Norwegian 'culture' superior to other cultures?

Throughout history, the country was in unions with Denmark and Sweden, who had the upper hand in the relationship and Danish was for long the main language of the elite.

If I'm not mistaken the modern Norwegian language is actually based on Danish and (some) German with a few twists reflecting the local folklore and nature.

BTW, the first university in the country was not founded until 1811, i.e. one of the last in Europe (just a few for comparison: Bologna 1088, Oxford 1096, Paris 1150) and the Protestant Reformation came from Germany.

Norway is no doubt a beautiful and very successful country, but it's also relatively small and sparsely populated and has been mostly a recipient and under the influence of other cultures.
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If I'm not mistaken the modern Norwegian language is actually based on Danish and (some) German with a few twists reflecting the local folklore and nature.
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So that's a collection of flaws.

1) Cold numbers and facts don't make understand cultures

2) Understanding other cultures makes you aware yours isn't necessarily superior (if you understand that everyone considers his own superior for living it, as a citizen or a patriot)

3) Understanding different cultures may add new criteria to consider what's superior or not, or possibly make delete the word "superior" itself from the vocabulary.
1- i did not say in my post only numbers, why ijnore the rest and focus on one from the 4 i mention?

2- people often think their culture is superior just like most people think they are good drives, deep inside people know the truth.

3- some are superior then others, i kinda feel its getting into the PC zone, i find csome cultures as superior then others you can say you dont think one culture is superior we can disagree and debate my reasons and your reasons.
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I thought the super-atheist Czechia would be easily No. 1 until I saw Armenia

I occasionally visit a fast-food run by Armenians and they have proudly hanged up a poster with Armenian countryside inside the restaurant and the poster features a big Christian Church with some mountains and a few commie blocks in the background.

Some even claim Armenia is the world's oldest Christian country, having officially embraced this religion in 301 AD
true indeed, the only country that has a Quarter in the old town in jerusalem. the old town is divided into 4 Quarters, the muslim, the jewish, the christian and.....the Armenian

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1- i did not say in my post only numbers, why ijnore the rest and focus on one from the 4 i mention?

you summed it up yourself that way so I just took it as it was (the rest isn't ignored and still doesn't change my answer)

2- people often think their culture is superior just like most people think they are good drives, deep inside people know the truth.

no they're just ignorant - confidently ignorant, maybe, but when you change your mind well it means you change it

3- some are superior then others, i kinda feel its getting into the PC zone, i find csome cultures as superior then others you can say you dont think one culture is superior we can disagree and debate my reasons and your reasons.
superior - above/higher or more important.

well to me the debate is meaningless since I think you have to know the culture from the place it lives - I'm sure you feel that to be in the place is mind opening, we all experience that at any scale of our life
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To me this underlines especially how the people can be proud of their country and about to defend it fanatically no matter what, because they were educated that way. You have to wonder how they are conditionned from birth and at school about the history of their country, their beliefs, their morals, what you call "culture" overall.

Speaking from what I know (my country which is France), with every government, there are tendencies to change the focus of the history we learn at school (children's school). Some governments try to open historical perspectives to the outside world, some will tend to keep the view from a very French-centric way, as to make the French more patriot or nationalistic.

In the last years some of our presidents (Chirac, Hollande, Macron, made official apologies for human crimes of the past in various wars), and it made cringe a lot of other intellectuals or Historians who grew very proud of their country, with the idea that their country could do no wrong, or that every reason to make those crimes were valuable (and you can imagine the endless arguments in many details of History).

Of course, you have to know your History perfectly and doesn't have to apologize for everything if you couldn't avoid some conflicts, but it is obvious to me that being a patriot and more knowledgeable about your own country than about other parts of the world cannot lead you to a bright path. You'll be unavoidably biased and mistaken. In that regard, the so-called "sovereignty" that is used for every nation highlights what's wrong in this world. A world of people, nations only watching at their door. In the end, what remains sovereign is their belly button.

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Another point I need to add on people or nations who think their culture is "superior": the word "superior" may be misleading. Some of those nations are tied to their history, a tough history of people who died for their country, their freedom, their culture. I can totally understand that the people have an unconditional love for their country and culture, like you love your land, your home and your family. In this case I don't think it's clearly about thinking their country is "superior", it's just a way to claim they're proud of their culture for all that. History of a country can have wounds and those wounds have kept it alive. Do they really think their culture is superior? No, they can't: their culture is just the only one they know, the only one their parents or grand-parents died for, the only one they had to love.

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