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Artistic Gymnastics discussion thread

Figured I'd start a new thread as women's qualification begins today. Only a handful of relevant people have gone. USA starts soon. As per usual, qualification is probably the most compelling part of the competition because of 2 per country USA drama. If Simone isn't on for beam, there's a decent chance she gets 2 per countried which would just be WEIRD.

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LOL @ Morgan having one of the best international scores of the quad and it STILL being 4.5 points behind Simone. I thought the qualifying would be interesting but Riley McClusker was a disaster. Almost all her scores got dropped for team, her score BARELY hung on to count for bars (her best event). Cannot believe she won't make the bars finals. She is so getting backballed from future teams.

Curious to see how Simone's bar score sits after Russia/China. She's currently in 2nd and had 2 wobbles.

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I feel bad for Riley to have an off day.

Simone was impressive as always.
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Simone Vile. Real Worlds for Gymnastics was in Sofia.

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@swim4life107 , i had a feeling you were going to make this thread, thanks!!

simone got cheng + 1/2 named after her. i also know she has a wieler kip 1/1 but probably isn't competition ready. she can probably get the TTY named after her too.

i do wish we that USA/Simone had some more competition though, i feel the TF/AA can be a bit boring since the battles are always for silver/bronze. but simone deserves a lot of credit, i just rewatched her 2013 AA performance and her bars improvement is crazy. and at the end of 2015 her cheng was a mess in the practice videos, her 1/2 block is soooo good now, it's crazy.

i still kinda hate her beam besides the dismount, but she has this quad locked up

excited to see mustafina tmrw. her floor in the PT looked better than rio

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also Liang Chow (Douglas / Johnson old coach) is new national head for team China. hopefully he can bring some better physical conditioning for these girls, they all look like they are about to fall apart at any given moment

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also, i like kara's beam, but those ring jumps are just atrocious. so glad she is getting appropriately nailed for them

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Yeah, I was thinking the same how the AA field is weaker compared to previous years for Simone. Not that it takes anything away from her.
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Simone Vile. Real Worlds for Gymnastics was in Sofia.
Translation: Simone isn't a dainty little white girl with translucent skin.

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i do wish we that USA/Simone had some more competition though, i feel the TF/AA can be a bit boring since the battles are always for silver/bronze. but simone deserves a lot of credit, i just rewatched her 2013 AA performance and her bars improvement is crazy. and at the end of 2015 her cheng was a mess in the practice videos, her 1/2 block is soooo good now, it's crazy.

i still kinda hate her beam besides the dismount, but she has this quad locked up

excited to see mustafina tmrw. her floor in the PT looked better than rio
I think it'll all change in a post-Simone world. I think the USA's AA streak is a bit misleading. Aside from Simone, none of the other World/Olympic champions were forgone (apart from Beijing...where we knew it would be one of Shawn/Nastia, just didn't know which one). 2011/2012/2017 were all super close and compelling finals. Carly was the underdog against The Evil One going into Athens, etc. I think I read that if Simone were replaced with Ragdoll, Team USA's lead over Japan would go from 12 to 6 points (and there will be teams that get closer to USA than Japan).

Simone has gotten considerably better each year. I thought she was amazing in 2015 Glasgow, and she was miles better in Rio. The gap between Rio and now is even bigger. I cannot even imagine the possibilities for where she'll be in Tokyo. She might have a 6.5 D on bars by then. I don't love her beam either but I blame the code more than anything else. That style has a lot of upside if done right (see Shawn's 2008 beam routine).

I'm excited for Mustafina too. I'm also hoping we get another epic hot mess from Melnikova. Wish we got Yilin on bars but apparently she's sitting out because of that stupid individual nominative rule (alas Jade Carey). I'm excited for China as I haven't seen most of the new girls. Appears that the Rio quad girls are all done (comeback Shang plzzzz ) Dos Santos from France is another one of my random faves. She has upside in the AA and I'm hoping it comes together this year.

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Translation: Simone isn't a dainty little white girl with translucent skin.

You're the one obsessed with skin colour as you're the one who called Zhenya a porcelain doll. FYI, I love Vanessa James and she's none of that.



My problem with Viles is the new judging system benefits her but she has none of the grace and elegance that great gymnasts from the past had. And she's another tiring American sportsperson turned SJW like her opinion matters more than others.

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You're the one obsessed with skin colour as you're the one who called Zhenya a porcelain doll. FYI, I love Vanessa James and she's none of that.



My problem with Viles is the new judging system benefits her but she has none of the grace and elegance that great gymnasts from the past had. And she's another tiring American sportsperson turned SJW like her opinion matters more than others.
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You're the one obsessed with skin colour as you're the one who called Zhenya a porcelain doll. FYI, I love Vanessa James and she's none of that.



My problem with Viles is the new judging system benefits her but she has none of the grace and elegance that great gymnasts from the past had. And she's another tiring American sportsperson turned SJW like her opinion matters more than others.
....and there you go with the coded dog whistling. That language in this sport has always been code for "white and dainty." But what am I talking about? You have one black fave and probably had a black friend in 2nd grade, so clearly you can't be racist.

Oh and for the record, Simone regularly scores the highest in execution. So she'd be winning regardless of how you try to spin it. The old system would just guarantee she'd be winning with downgrades and watered down routines. But I don't see you complaining about how the scoring system in figure skating helps your faves out. Can't have it both ways.

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Qualifiers for Team, AA and event finals (2-per-countried gymnasts in Italics)

Team:
1 USA USA 45.166 43.465 42.732 43.066 174.429
2 RUS RUS 42.332 42.566 39.766 40.833 165.497
3 CHN CHN 41.999 43.099 41.099 38.999 165.196
4 CAN CAN 42.933 40.499 40.832 39.633 163.897
5 BRA BRA 43.532 40.832 37.932 40.233 162.529
6 JPN JPN 42.399 41.016 39.699 39.066 162.180
7 FRA FRA 41.632 40.732 39.566 39.699 161.629
8 GER GER 41.166 42.690 39.216 37.999 161.071


AA
1 Biles Simone USA USA 15.966 14.866 14.800 15.333 60.965
2 Hurd Morgan USA USA 14.600 14.466 13.466 13.933 56.465
3 Murakami Mai JPN JPN 14.433 13.666 13.433 14.100 55.632
4 Derwael Nina BEL BEL 13.466 15.066 13.766 13.266 55.564
5 Melnikova Angelina RUS RUS 14.266 14.300 12.866 14.033 55.465
6 Black Elsabeth CAN CAN 14.033 14.000 13.733 13.233 54.999
7 de Jesus dos Santos Melanie FRA FRA 14.466 13.866 12.566 13.900 54.798
8 Mc Cusker Riley USA USA 14.266 14.133 13.100 13.266 54.765
9 Luo Huan CHN CHN 13.466 14.466 13.266 12.933 54.131
10 Saraiva Flavia BRA BRA 14.466 12.400 13.233 13.900 53.999
11 Downie Elissa GBR GBR 14.366 13.466 12.500 13.200 53.532
12 Alekseeva Irina RUS RUS 13.500 13.833 13.133 13.066 53.532
13 Chen Yile CHN CHN 13.433 14.300 12.900 12.866 53.499
14 Teramoto Asuka JPN JPN 14.433 13.400 13.133 12.500 53.466
15 Simm Kelly GBR GBR 13.900 13.800 12.333 13.066 53.099
16 Hatakeda Hitomi JPN JPN 13.533 13.800 13.133 12.466 52.932
17 Visser Naomi NED NED 13.300 13.433 12.966 13.133 52.832
18 Seitz Elisabeth GER GER 13.666 14.566 11.700 12.866 52.798
19 Golgota Denisa ROU ROU 14.266 12.366 12.733 13.400 52.765
20 Barbosa Jade BRA BRA 14.500 13.333 11.700 13.200 52.733
21 Moors Brooklyn CAN CAN 13.333 12.666 13.133 13.500 52.632
22 Zhang Jin CHN CHN 14.233 10.733 14.100 13.200 52.266
23 Mori Lara ITA ITA 13.366 12.633 12.800 13.400 52.199
24 Kovacs Zsofia HUN HUN 13.633 12.833 13.066 12.633 52.165
25 Charpy Lorette FRA FRA 13.433 13.000 13.066 12.666 52.165
26 Perez Ana ESP ESP 13.500 12.966 12.866 12.800 52.132
27 Klinckaert Axelle BEL BEL 13.700 12.033 13.175 13.166 52.074


VT
1 Biles Simone USA USA 15.666 15.966
2 Olsen Shallon CAN CAN 14.550 14.700
3 Yeo Seojeong KOR KOR 14.483 14.566
4 Moreno Alexa MEX MEX 14.466 14.633
5 Chusovitina Oksana UZB UZB 14.200 14.300
6 Pyon Rye Yong PRK PRK 14.133 14.000
7 Black Elsabeth CAN CAN 14.124 14.033
8 Liu Jinru CHN CHN 14.116 14.300


UB
1 Derwael Nina BEL BEL 15.066
2 Biles Simone USA USA 14.866
3 Seitz Elisabeth GER GER 14.566
4 Luo Huan CHN CHN 14.466
5 Hurd Morgan USA USA 14.466
6 Mustafina Aliia RUS RUS 14.433
7 Adlerteg Jonna SWE SWE 14.433
8 Downie Rebecca GBR GBR 14.400

BB
1 Biles Simone USA USA 14.800
2 Eaker Kara USA USA 14.466
3 Zhang Jin CHN CHN 14.100
4 Wevers Sanne NED NED 14.033
5 Padurariu Anne-Marie CAN CAN 13.966
6 Derwael Nina BEL BEL 13.766 Exe. :
7 Black Elsabeth CAN CAN 13.733
8 Liu Tingting CHN CHN 13.733


FX
1 Biles Simone USA USA 15.333
2 Murakami Mai JPN JPN 14.100
3 Melnikova Angelina RUS RUS
4 Hurd Morgan USA USA 13.933
5 Saraiva Flavia BRA BRA 13.900
6 de Jesus dos Santos Melanie FRA FRA 13.900
7 Mc Callum Grace USA USA 13.800
8 Akhaimova Liliia RUS RUS 13.600
9 Moors Brooklyn CAN CAN 13.500
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It's not a new trend but it's still strange to see the complete absence (in any meaningful way, anyway) of Romanian gymnasts.
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Women's AG Team Final is about to begin - if you're in Canada, CBC is streaming!

Good luck USA, Russia, and Canada <3

In an ideal world, Canada would break through for a bronze medal. It's a big ask but we never know with WAG

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