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I doubt it. I don't think those bearded animals care about power. They are executing their religious duty. "Anyone that disrespect their prophet must be put to death" as their demoniac book (nothing Holy about it) say. That's all they care about.
The rest means nothing to them. The courageous one will execute the order. The cowards one will sit in silent and applaud inside.
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I fear the truly fanatical are not too keen on sports either. At least I remember even playing some street football wasn't allowed in the IS occupied territories.



But we all know this whole thing isn't even about religion. Maybe for those bearded simpletons but for their leaders of the TLP this is just a way to power. In the end that's all these religious leaders want, power.
I think it's about power and salvation, which all has to do with indoctrination. You see less extreme forms of such indoctrination all over the world. Also, there are many things that can help counter effects of such indoctrination such as the cultivation of certain values and non-corrupt legal systems.

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post #32 of 50 (permalink) Old Nov 4th, 2018, 03:48 PM Thread Starter
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I was referring to Western leftists.
Very few in the West (people who use this forum) are rooting for these women to be put to death. You are sick for making such paranoid assumptions.
They are not defending her. All you have to do is read this topic. Where are they? They all believe that whoever makes fun of their prophet must die. Every muslim believe that. Just tell me I am lying, would you? They sit quietly, thinking "yes, that woman must get what she deserves. She must die".

I had a muslim friend at work. He is from Indonesia. I used to joke with him asking if he would kill me if I say not so nice things about his prophet. He laughed and responded, "I would not do it, but someone else will because it's the duty of every muslim".
When I asked why he wouldn't do it, his response was that he doesn't want to go to jail... That's where I got the idea about the "courageous ones vs the cowards ones".

Of course I was not openly calling him coward. We were good friends, having breakfast together every morning downstairs at the cafeteria.

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They are not defending her. All you have to do is read this topic. Where are they? They all believe that whoever makes fun of their prophet must die. Every muslim believe that. Just tell me I am lying, would you? They sit quietly, thinking "yes, that woman must get what she deserves. She must die".

I had a muslim friend at work. He is from Indonesia. I used to joke with him asking if he would kill me if I say not so nice things about his prophet. He laughed and responded, "I would not do it, but someone else will because it's the duty of every muslim".
When I asked why he wouldn't do it, his response was that he doesn't want to go to jail... That's where I got the idea about the "courageous ones vs the cowards ones".

Of course I was not openly calling him coward. We were good friends, having breakfast together every morning downstairs at the cafeteria.
I think you've taken this claim too far. There are two points you've made: The first is about all Muslims think that Asia Bibi should be punished and must die. The second the lack of people in this forum condemning this.

If we talk about Muslims: There's a group (not so many in the Western democracies) that would actively perform terrible acts of murder. They quote the Koran when they perpetrate these acts. Then there's more that support these acts of terror or what has happened to Asia but wouldn't do it themselves. Then there's a large number who don't support it but are fearful of speaking up.

And then there's a number who don't support it and do condemn it. How they reconcile this with the Koran I don't know but they do. Much as I dislike Sadiq Khan - he has condemned violence committed in the name of Islam. We have Muslims who are MPs in the UK including the home secretary Sajid Javid. And they have condemned violence in the name of Islam.

I don't think you have provided any evidence (apart from your friend anecdote) that all Muslims or even a majority of Muslims in Western Democracies really think "yes, that woman must get what she deserves. She must die" (I've put in bold in your post).

Now for this lack of posters in this thread not condemning this terrible thing in Pakistan. Firstly this is a Tennis Forum and only a tiny handful of posters are posting on Politics down here.. The "US Politics thread" is the only political thread that is very active. That's because a very small number of posters (maybe half a dozen) are posting there every day. So we have half a dozen posters haven't noticed this thread or are not concerned enough to post here and are busy with mainly "Left is Good, Right is Bad" posts in the "US Politics thread". I don't see how you can generalise from such a small number of people. Or even conclude they are actively thinking "yes, that woman must get what she deserves. She must die".

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Then there's a large number who don't support it but are fearful of speaking up.
fearful for what? fear of what?
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And then there's a number who don't support it and do condemn it. How they reconcile this with the Koran I don't know but they do
How do you know they do?
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Firstly this is a Tennis Forum and only a tiny handful of posters are posting on Politics down here..
You mean you can't find on this forum 3 muslims to say openly the woman did nothing wrong and shouldn't be killed?

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I'm hoping the report from BBC's Shehzad Malik is true and that Asia Bibi is now out of the country. Says she hes been flown to the Netherlands.

https://twitter.com/abidhussayn/stat...78669678182405

But it's a really terrrifying time for other Christians now living in Pakistan. Absolutely dreadful.

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fearful for what? fear of what?
How do you know they do?
You mean you can't find on this forum 3 muslims to say openly the woman did nothing wrong and shouldn't be killed?
If you cannot understand or pretending to not understand that not speaking out against something doesn't mean that you approve of it and don't think it's wrong then that just shows that you have an agenda of your own. Fear can take many forms from fear of violence to fear of simply creating acrimony and arguments amongst friends and family.

You are now claiming that every Muslim who doesn't come out and condemn what is happening supports it. That's absolute nonsense and it says a lot of your real motive for starting this thread.

I also cited Salmaan Taseer who lost his life trying to secure Asia Bidi's freedom. Let's just compare him to you. You in the safety of your country say all Muslims are cowards for not speaking up. It's you who are the coward not him.

You completely dodged answering the point that no-one ever posts in political threads in Non Tennis apart from half a dozen or so people most with an agenda. So find me 3 Muslims out or the people who post down here all the time who are Muslims first before asking me to find 3 Muslims posting a particular view in this particular thread.

In summary - you obviously don't have any concern for Asia Bidi. Just using her plight to peddle your agenda that all Muslims support the dreadful thing that has happened to her.

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In summary - you obviously don't have any concern for Asia Bidi. Just using her plight to peddle your agenda that all Muslims support the dreadful thing that has happened to her.
I am still looking for a single post from you, where you said this woman did nothing wrong.
Can you please quote yourself?
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I am still looking for a single post from you, where you said this woman did nothing wrong.
Can you please quote yourself?
She did nothing wrong. And even if I didn't say so specifically those exact words every one of my posts has expressed that sentiment and the relief that she's out the country and the terrible things those people did to her.

But of course your real agenda is that all Muslims actively kill or support those that kill and treat Asia like she did. You are not interested in her but your own agenda an all Muslims. There are some Muslims in those two categories but many many Muslims in the two categories of not supporting what happened but not actually speaking out and of those that have spoken out. And I've given an example of a Muslim who lost his life trying to help and free Asia Bibi.

Not one of your posts has recognised that. Not a single post. But you don't care about that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

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I'm hoping the report from BBC's Shehzad Malik is true and that Asia Bibi is now out of the country. Says she hes been flown to the Netherlands.

https://twitter.com/abidhussayn/stat...78669678182405
Her lawyer has been here for a couple of days now but Asia Bibi is apparently still at a secret location (out of prison) in Pakistan.
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She did nothing wrong. And even if I didn't say so specifically those exact words every one of my posts has expressed that sentiment and the relief that she's out the country and the terrible things those people did to her..
Finally. Thank you. At least I got you to put that in writing. No other muslim on this forum will write that. It's too painful for them to say anything like that.
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... There are some Muslims in those two categories but many many Muslims in the two categories of not supporting what happened but not actually speaking out and of those that have spoken out..
And that's the problem.
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Not one of your posts has recognised that.
.. and I won't.. One tree doesn't a forest make.
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I am thoroughly ashamed of my UK government if this is true: That it has apparently not offered Asia Bibi asylum should she wish to take it in the UK.

From an article How Immigration Changes Britain

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But today there are reports that the British government has said that it will not offer asylum to Asia Bibi. The reason being “security concerns” — that weasel term now used by all officialdom whenever it needs one last reason to avoid doing the right thing. According to this report, the government is concerned that if the U.K. offered asylum to Bibi it could cause “unrest among certain sections of the community.” And which sections would that be? Would it be Anglicans or atheists who would be furious that an impoverished and severely traumatized woman should be given shelter in their country? Of course not. The “community” that the British government will be scared of is the community that comes from the same country that has tortured Asia Bibi for the last eight years.

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In any case, if it is true that the British government has declined to offer Asia Bibi asylum for this reason, then it should lead to a huge national and international outcry. Among other things, it suggests that the British government has got its priorities exactly the wrong way around. For it is not Asia Bibi who should not be in Britain. It is anyone from the “communities” who would not accept Asia Bibi being in Britain who should not be in the country. Though I wouldn’t expect any British politician to express that simple truth any time soon.

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Religion is useless and religious people are so weak.
Can't believe that in 2018 so many people need crutches to get through life
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Awful that in 2018 there are still societies like this
Does religion even make people's lives better anywhere? It has always killed in human history. We need EDUCATION not brainwashing
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Awful that in 2018 there are still societies like this
Does religion even make people's lives better anywhere? It has always killed in human history. We need EDUCATION not brainwashing
Education has nothing to do with religiosity (or even religious fanatism).
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Thousands protest in Lahore over acquittal of Christian woman in blasphemy case



Leaders of the Islamist conservative alliance Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), took the stage to denounce the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the death conviction of Asia Bibi for blasphemy.
The president of the MMA alliance, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, stated that “we will never hesitate to scarify lives to honour the Prophet,” calling for the Supreme Court to revert its verdict “or this agitation will continue.”

The teaching of such violence should not be allowed in any civilized nation.

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