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ya'll need to think a little bit more.

liberal media pundits and average liberal citizens in other countries don't READILY talk about this kind of stuff a lot probably for multiple reasons

1) it is expected to happen in such a country/environment.
2) they live in another country, particularly a non-Western country. people, particularly Americans, tend to be oblivious of extra-national affairs AND there is less association for most people with the affairs of another country.
3) people understand that practice of religion is largely influenced by legal, cultural, and historical affairs. It's a lot more nuanced than Islam bad, non-Islam good.

if you look at academic liberals or liberals who work in international affairs though, they will talk about and actively work on these kinds of things. even everyday liberals will talk about these things in passing. so stop with your lame, poorly thought narratives. don't let media give all your talking points. it's toxic.

in other words, these kinds of things are more difficult for people in other countries to talk about because they feel it doesn't affect them directly (less motivation), don't feel like they really understand what's going on in these other countries (less knowledge), and have some expectation that these kinds of things happen (less surprise).

And so as another suggestion, if you actually want people (aka day-to-day liberals) to talk about this more, may I suggest the encouraging and awareness route, rather than the shaming route, because the shaming route is unnecessarily aggressive, and doesn't take into the account that there are a million issues that all people really do not talk about or consider when maybe they should in principle.

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in other words, these kinds of things are more difficult for people in other countries to talk about because they feel it doesn't affect them directly (less motivation), don't feel like they really understand what's going on in these other countries (less knowledge), and have some expectation that these kinds of things happen (less surprise).
That's how people who don't live in NA or EUW feel about USA. Trump in office has probably improved the viewership ratings a bit though.

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To add to this - two Pakistani politicians - one Muslim and one Christian - tried to defend her. Both got assassinated very quick.
But the country is still our good ally in war against terror, right?
And the 3 Supreme Court judges that freed her today are in hiding. There was a mob going after them. It won't take long before they are assassinated too.
Last thing I heard is that she and her family where taken abroad. There is no way they can live in that country.
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And so as another suggestion, if you actually want people (aka day-to-day liberals) to talk about this more, may I suggest the encouraging and awareness route, rather than the shaming route, because the shaming route is unnecessarily aggressive, and doesn't take into the account that there are a million issues that all people really do not talk about or consider when maybe they should in principle.
This's been going on for 700+ years. If they are not aware by now, they will never be. Shaming them is the only route. They behave like animals.

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Good to see there are at least some judges in the Supreme Court who went to college.

Wouldn't surprise me though this innocent woman will get lynched the moment they release her.
I really hope not. Can't celebrate until they get Asia Bibi out the country. Everyone is aware of the danger so they will be planning get her out the country quickly before anyone gets to her and kills her. BTW I did hear she's shown signs of Dementia with her ordeal. What a dreadful thing they have done to her.

But on the subject of demonising all Muslims in this thread. Take a look at Salmaan Taseer. He was a very courageous Muslim and he lost his life working to secure Bibi's freedom.

It's easy to sit back and condemn all Muslims in their own safe country. This man who was a Muslim risked and lost his life!

And people demonising Christians. We should also remember another brave man - Shahbaz Bhatti. A Christian who also lost his life trying to secure Asia Bibi's freedom.

The religion attracts dreadful things committed in it's name. But there are a lot of good people who are Christians and Muslims in the world. But no words to describe the hell-hole and hate with this extremism in Pakistan.

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Supporters of a Pakistani religious group chant slogans while blocking a main road at a protest after the court decision in Karachi on October 31.

In 2011, two government officials -- a Pakistani governor and a minister of minorities -- were assassinated for having spoken out in support of Bibi.

Insulting Islam is punishable by death in Pakistan, and the mere rumor of blasphemy can lead to lynchings by mobs....

Christians make up only about 2 percent of Pakistan's population and are sometimes discriminated against.

Approximately 40 people are believed to be on death row or serving a life sentence in Pakistan for blasphemy, according to a 2018 report by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom.
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This's been going on for 700+ years. If they are not aware by now, they will never be. Shaming them is the only route. They behave like animals.
They also have been practicing incest for a very long time which Islam supports (cousin marriages) for many generations. Altogether it perpetuates the system / cycle of oppression, fanaticism and mental illness (it increases the risk). Also no wonder why Pakistani community makes up 33% of genetic anomalies / illnesses found among newly born in UK despite only accounting for 5% of the children.
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The story is not over yet. Multiple countries have offered Asia Bibi asylum but they won't let her go.

Pakistan works to stop Asia Bibi leaving after blasphemy protests

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Pakistan’s government has been accused of signing the “death warrant” of Asia Bibi after it said it would begin the process of preventing her leaving the country.

Bibi, a Christian farm labourer, was acquitted of blasphemy on Wednesday. She had spent eight years on death row after she drank from the same cup as a Muslim, prompting false allegations that she insulted the prophet Muhammad.

Bibi’s lawyer, Saif-ul-Mulook, has reportedly since fled the country amid fears for his life, telling AFP: “I need to stay alive as I still have to fight the legal battle for Asia Bibi.”

The ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) administration signed an agreement with the anti-blasphemy group Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) on Friday night, giving in to many of its demands in the face of massive, countrywide protests calling for Bibi to be put to death.

In a document signed by the PTI’s religious affairs minister and the TLP’s second-in-command, Pir Afzal Qadri, the government promised not to oppose a court petition to reverse Bibi’s release. It also pledged to work in the meantime to put her name on the exit control list (ECL) which would prevent her leaving the country.


“Placing Asia Bibi on the ECL is like signing her death warrant,” said Wilson Chowdhry of the British Pakistani Christian Association. Bibi, a mother of five, remains in the same prison where last month two men tried to kill her, although she has been shifted out of her windowless cell.

The agreement was a “historic capitulation”, tweeted analyst Mosharraf Zaidi. On Wednesday night, the prime minister and leader of the PTI, Imran Khan, defended the verdict acquitting Bibi and suggested the government would clamp down on protesters it termed “enemies of the state”.

The TLP has agreed to call off its protests, which saw thousands of Islamists blockade the country’s major motorways, burning cars and lorries and chanting that they were ready to die to protect the honour of the prophet.

Meanwhile, the government has promised to free any TLP workers arrested during the three-day protest. The group has only apologised for the damage it caused, the cost of which one government official estimated at $1.2bn (£900m).

Afzal Qadri told the Guardian “the government has almost accepted our maximum demands” and that if it backtracked “we can come [out on the streets] again”.

Islamists poured on to the streets after Friday prayers in a show of force that briefly unified extremist groups from the majority Barelvi sect, which the TLP springs from, and the more traditionally hardline Deobandis. Terrorist-linked outfits including Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat held rallies in Islamabad, alleging that the EU had pressurised the government into releasing Bibi.

While the protests were ongoing, unknown assailants stabbed Sami ul Haq – the leader of the Haqqania madrasa known as the “father of the Taliban” – to death in his own home.

The spokesperson for Pakistan’s army, Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor, said that the military’s chief condemned the assassination and expressed “grief and condolences” for the ul Haq family. Earlier in the day, Ghafoor released a statement about the protests which avoided criticising the TLP, despite its leaders calling for soldiers to mutiny.

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And the 3 Supreme Court judges that freed her today are in hiding. There was a mob going after them. It won't take long before they are assassinated too.
Last thing I heard is that she and her family where taken abroad. There is no way they can live in that country.
I'm sure they'd be honoured to know which type of Muslim you would classify them as, Serve2Win! Courageous- or cowards? Or, do they somehow challenge your criteria?! Oh, please do let us know! As I'm sure you're aware, the international community holds the views of Americans such as yourself in high regard. You are such an educated, cultured, and altogether well-rounded people. I must say, your leader is an accurate reflection of his people!
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The story is not over yet. Multiple countries have offered Asia Bibi asylum but they won't let her go.

Pakistan works to stop Asia Bibi leaving after blasphemy protests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-bibi-leaving
That's really awful. I hear her lawyer has fled the country for his life. Really need to get her out the country but they won't let her go. But need to just get her out somehow. Terrible place to be. Terrible religion as practised by this mob in this day and age.

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There is one and easy way to fix this.
International Cricket Council should raise their voice for very basic human rights and make them choose between their fanatic belief and their cricket. I am fairly certain they'll choose cricket.
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I'm sure they'd be honoured to know which type of Muslim you would classify them as, Serve2Win! Courageous- or cowards? Or, do they somehow challenge your criteria?! Oh, please do let us know! As I'm sure you're aware, the international community holds the views of Americans such as yourself in high regard. You are such an educated, cultured, and altogether well-rounded people. I must say, your leader is an accurate reflection of his people!
oh yeah. there are lots of them at this forum. Where are the members defending her here? They are all cowards. you included. You are quietly rooting for these woman to be put to death. You are a proud soldier of your prophet.

And by the way, Trump didn't win the popular vote. That speaks volume.
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There is one and easy way to fix this.
International Cricket Council should raise their voice for very basic human rights and make them choose between their fanatic belief and their cricket. I am fairly certain they'll choose cricket.
I fear the truly fanatical are not too keen on sports either. At least I remember even playing some street football wasn't allowed in the IS occupied territories.



But we all know this whole thing isn't even about religion. Maybe for those bearded simpletons but for their leaders of the TLP this is just a way to power. In the end that's all these religious leaders want, power.

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I fear the truly fanatical are not too keen on sports either. At least I remember even playing some street football wasn't allowed in the IS occupied territories.
But we all know this whole thing isn't even about religion. Maybe for those bearded simpletons but for their leaders of the TLP this is just a way to power. In the end that's all these religious leaders want, power.
I doubt it. I don't think those bearded animals care about power. They are executing their religious duty. "Anyone that disrespect their prophet must be put to death" as their demoniac book (nothing Holy about it) says. That's all they care about.
The rest means nothing to them. The courageous ones will execute the order. The cowards ones will sit in silently and applaud inside.

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This's been going on for 700+ years. If they are not aware by now, they will never be. Shaming them is the only route. They behave like animals.
I was referring to Western leftists.

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oh yeah. there are lots of them at this forum. Where are the members defending her here? They are all cowards. you included. You are quietly rooting for these woman to be put to death. You are a proud soldier of your prophet.

And by the way, Trump didn't win the popular vote. That speaks volume.
Very few in the West (people who use this forum) are rooting for these women to be put to death. You are sick for making such paranoid assumptions.
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