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I disagree. It has relevance because people focus on it. But that leads to hypersensitivity and self-defeating assessments. I can find similar derogatory ads about Italians, Germans, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, etc yet those groupings don't let them inform their current assessments as much as African-Americans seem to. IMO there is enough anti-black stuff that is real and current without compounding it with outrage over things that were not intended to be anything of the sort.

Let's be clear - I couldn't care less about Dove and whether people use it or not. But to me it just seems silly and self-defeating for people to launch a campaign against a company that clearly (even if for finacial gain) focuses on inclusive ads because of misreading something based on "well in the past . ." That's all. I'm out on this topic.
And of course you, a White man, decides what should be real to Black people, right? Intent, or lack thereof, doesn't matter when the outcome is the same.

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And of course you, a [human], decides what should be real to [has an opinion on how to view things involving] [other humans], right? Intent, or lack thereof, doesn't matter when the outcome is the same.
Corrected. And, with those corrections, yes right.

I'm sorry that you think everyone sees the world through "race as primary" glasses as you do and I'm also sorry that you see someone expressing how they see things as being tantamount to telling others how to see it. And yes I know you're far from alone in both those opinions. But your choice to hold them is your own thing to deal with.

That sorted, I of course accept that the outcome is important but I'd say that intent is just as, or even more, important.

Oh and you might want to read what the woman in the commercial has to say about it.

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It's a well done cartoon and historically accurate.

But, they should do one about 2017 and the Democratic Plantation.

It's effects are more relevant to the current society.

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'I just killed Kamil - I need to be arrested': Killer's chilling 999 call after he stabbed his neighbour to death and chopped off his penis
Jeffrey Barry, 56, has been found guilty of a 'savage' stab murder in Bristol. The gruesome attack ended with Barry chopping off Kamil Ahmad's penis. In a chilling 999 call after he said 'I just killed Kamil...classed as murder innit?' Murder took place hours after Barry was released from a psychiatric hospital. Barry denied murder but admitted manslaughter by diminished responsibility.



Police today released the recording of the call Barry made within minutes of the stabbing. He calmly phoned 999 and told the operator what he had done. He accused Mr Ahmad of committing a number of crimes, adding: 'So that's why I attacked him. I warned the staff. I warned them. I warned the crisis team. They ignored me. He's dead now.' He went on: 'I'm covered with blood. There's blood splattered everywhere in the room. Classed as murder, innit?' The call handler could he heard asking a colleague to send an ambulance before Barry said: 'But I'm going to say diminished responsibility.'

During the trial, the jury was told he had written notes stating his intention to kill people in the shared supported housing unit where the pair lived.
He told support workers at the accommodation they shared in Bristol that he wanted to be a notorious murderer and Mr Ahmad was top of his hit list. Weeks before the killing at the victim's flat, Barry told police in a phone call he thought Mr Ahmad was a rapist, a paedophile and a terrorist in Iraq. He earlier told a psychiatrist he could hear the devil's voice telling him: 'Kamil must die...he is a very bad man.' He also displayed 'bizarre' over-sexualised behaviour, including masturbating naked in communal areas. Despite that he was discharged the day before the brutal knifing after promising a mental health tribunal he would not drink.

CCTV footage on the night of the murder showed Barry leaving the flat in the early evening on July 6, 2016. He spent several hours drinking at Charlie's Bar in Wells Road and Long Bar in Old Market before returning to the flat just before midnight. Footage captured him leaving the flat at 1am, wearing just his pants, and making a telephone call in the hallway. He rang a mental health crisis helpline and told the operator he was criminally insane and was not responsible for his actions. He ended the call at 1.26am, and appeared on CCTV footage three minutes later, emerging from his flat shirtless but wearing trousers with a knife in his pocket. He then walked upstairs and knocked on Mr Ahmad's door. His victim opened the door and Barry went in before emerging 42 minutes later with blood visible all over his clothes. He then walked back down to the hall, dialled 999 and told the operator he had killed Mr Ahmad. Home Office pathologist Dr Amanda Jeffery examined Mr Ahmad's body and found injuries to his face, head and neck. There were 25 stab wounds to his face, including his eyes, and fatal stab wounds to his stomach, right arm and left wrist. Mr Ahmad's penis had been cut off after his death.

Mr Ahmad fled persecution and imprisonment in Iraq, and as a result of his experiences there was diagnosed with severe mental health difficulties.
He arrived in the UK in 2011 seeking protection. Mr Ahmad's family and friends said he had been let down by several agencies in the city, and Mr Ahmad had made repeated warnings about feeling threatened by Barry but was ignored. In the three years before the attack, Mr Ahmad had complained to police four times that Barry had assaulted him. Mr Ahmad's interpreter, Adil Jaifar, said he had worked with the victim for several years and that at weekly therapy meetings he attended with Mr Ahmad, he always talked about how threatened he felt by Barry. Ahmad's brother, Kamaran Ahmad Ali, said after the verdict: 'Kamil was a much-loved brother, uncle and cousin. If he had been protected by the authorities, he would be alive today. Why was he not protected? We must have an answer to that question.' The family's solicitor, Tony Murphy of Bhatt Murphy, described the murder as 'preventable'. 'The evidence heard at trial points to a systemic, multi-agency failure to protect a known victim of violent race hate crime from a known perpetrator,' he said. The family ask the authorities to be open about their failure to protect Kamil so that other lives can be protected.' After the verdict Detective Chief Inspector Richard Ocone said: 'Barry may have a history of serious mental illness but at the time he attacked Kamil he knew exactly what he was doing.'The public are now much safer with him off the streets for he is an exceptionally dangerous man.'

Alex Raikes from the campaign group Stand Against Racism and Inequality (Sari) said more help should have been available for Mr Ahmad.
'We're seeing cutbacks where we're seeing agencies losing more and more resources, more and more front-line resources, some of our most vulnerable people are even less safe,' she said. 'That means that we, as the voluntary and charitable sector, have got to step up and we've got to do more than we ever have done before to be the eyes and ears of people who are so vulnerable, and Kamil was one of those individuals.' A spokesman for Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust described the murder as 'tragic and brutal'. 'We remain committed to close co-operation with all agencies in an effort to prevent such an event happening in the future,' he said. John Hoskinson, chief executive of the Milestones Trust, said an internal review was being conducted, as well as other investigations. 'We do understand this is a very difficult time for those involved but are unable to comment further until the results of these investigations are known,' Mr Hoskinson added.

Judge Mrs Justice May will sentence Barry on November 10.


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What does this have to do with race relations?

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Violence goes in NT now.

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The seldom-told story of the third man in John Carlos and Tommie Smith’s iconic protest






As NFL protests continue to be debated, both in and out of the league, the legacy of sports activism has by nature, also taken center stage. It's a history that, in balance, disproves the often-stated belief that players should just stick to their day jobs, that politics have no place on our fields or courts.

For every brave and iconic Muhammad Ali story, there are scores of less well-known athletes using whatever platform they have to push forward social-justice causes that mean the most to them. Though rarely heard, their stories are often as essential.

One of those stories, is the tale of the [other] man, Australian runner Peter Norman, who won silver at the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City and stood on the podium as Americans John Carlos and Tommie Smith raised their black-gloved fists in the air in support of African-American rights and dignity.

For many, Norman was seen as simply a bystander, or "the white guy" in the photo. A largely insignificant figure in one of the Olympics' most iconic moments. But as Smith and Carlos held their fists up high to highlight the racism and segregation that marked life as a black person in America, Norman stood in quiet solidarity. Hard to see in the photo is a small badge he wore that read: "Olympic Project for Human Rights," an American organization started the year before to protest global racial injustice. After all, he was coming from Australia, which sports writer Dave Zirin describes as "a country that at the time held racial exclusion laws that rivaled apartheid South Africa."

"I’ll stand with you," Italian writer Riccardo Gazzaniga said John Carlos remembers. "I expected to see fear in Norman’s eyes, but instead we saw love."

While the narrative around the emblematic photo has often left out Norman, Australia certainly did not forget his actions. Four years later and in 1972, Norman was not part of his country's Olympic sprinter team in Munich, "despite having run qualifying times for the 200 meters thirteen times and the 100 meters five times," Gazzaniga said.

Norman's career in competitive athletics was over, even though he was so fast that he still holds Australia's national record. He was ostracized, with work largely impossible to find. "If we were getting beat up," Zirin said that John Carlos remembers, "Peter was facing an entire country and suffering alone."

Australia offered Norman many chances for redemption. Publicly condemn Smith and Carlos' actions and he would be embraced for the athletic trailblazer he was. More importantly, it was "A pardon that would have allowed him to find a stable job through the Australian Olympic Committee and be part of the organization of the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games," Gazzaniga wrote. Norman refused.


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So race-related violence goes in NT now?

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That is asking too much.
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That is asking too much.
Probably just checked the pictures and the heading.

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So race-related violence goes in NT now?

Who knew?
Obviously not you.

Do you see the word "Violence" in this thread's title? No.

Now compare that to the original/now closed thread title:

Violence, Homophobia, Police Brutality and Race-Relations News.

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I hope positive stories are allowed...

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I hope positive stories are allowed...

They are. I hope more get posted. Looking at only the negative is a highway to hell. Thanks for that. There are many such stories. Marginally knew a few neo-Nazi skins that woke up. So there is hope.

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Three White Supremacists Arested in Florida for Shooting at Anti-Racism Protesters


The aftermath of white nationalist Richard Spencer’s speech at the University of Florida in Gainesville turned violent on Thursday when three white supremacists allegedly shot at anti-racism protesters.

According to the Gainesville Police Department, 28-year-old Tyler Tenbrink, 30-year-old William Fears, and 28-year-old Colton Fears, all from Texas, are now held on charges of attempted homicide for shooting at the group of protesters.

Police said that the trio stopped by the group of protesters shortly before 5:30 pm on Thursday, allegedly threatening the protesters, doing Nazi salutes, and shouting chants about Hitler. Tenbrink then reportedly pulled out a firearm, and the Fears brothers told him to shoot it at the protesters. He fired once, but missed (no one was hurt).

Then the trio fled in a jeep. But the trio’s vehicle tag number was reported, and they were caught a few hours later.

As ThinkProgress reported, Tenbrink and the Fears brothers have a history of racism. William Fears was featured in a Washington Post article about white supremacists, while his brother’s now-deleted Twitter account included racist comments. And Tenbrink was reportedly an active member of the “White Lives Matter” movement in Houston, and he was interviewed by local media in Gainesville before the shooting.

This is far from the first white supremacist attack this year. In September, police charged 23-year-old Kenneth James Gleason with first-degree murder for allegedly killing two black people in Baton Rouge, Louisiana; police found a speech by Adolf Hitler, along with other evidence, in Gleason’s home. In August, a Nazi sympathizer ran his car into a crowd of counterprotesters during a racist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia — an event also backed by Spencer — and killed 32-year-old Heather Heyer, who was there to stand against hate and bigotry.

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