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Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

I just watched the Renee Richards documentary, and I thought it was interesting how split everyone was on whether she should or shouldn't play. Personally I saw nothing wrong with it. With the use of pillls and the medicines she was very much a woman in my eyes, but then again she joined the tour in her early 40s, things may have been different had she entered the tour in her 20s or even early 30s. Though it's not likely to happen again, if another Transsexual wanted to play on the WTA Tour today, how do you think that would go? Do you think people would be more accepting? I'm curious what everyone has to say about this.
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Re: Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

I think the determining factor is regarding testosterone levels. If a person produces testosterone in the same levels that a man produces testosterone, this would give an unfair advantage in athletic competition. And I think this can be the case with some women who used to be men. Not saying this is always the case, so if it's not, it shouldn't be a problem right?


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Re: Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

No, but they should be allowed on the men's tour. It gets too complicated when testosterone is involved. If you allow transgendered players, I think you have a lot of problems with the substances that are currently being banned.

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Re: Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

No! WTA - Women's Tennis Association. Transsexuals will have unfair advantage and it's not only testosteron, what's about height, bone structure etc?

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No it's gross.
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Personally I think if she can be cleared as being biologically on the same playing field as the rest of the tour then there's really no reason to stop her. But they must be biologically equal, if she can't achieve that, then I'm afraid it's a no go.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ete-woman.html

As far as I can tell the lady in the article - Sarah Gronert - no longer plays pro, but since she was ranked in the 500s you could probably argue no benefit!

I would say "yes" to the question. Testosterone is no longer a factor once you've had you're testicles removed and are on female hormones. Plus it's not like some players - Serena, Maria, Vika, etc... - don't already have a huge genetic advantage over the Haleps and Erranis of this world and no-one's suggesting weight classes as they have in boxing.

The only time it would be an issue is if a transsexual became hugely successful, but how many teens are trans and how many of those are budding pro-tennis players? It's probably a non-issue.
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Re: Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

Funny enough, Renee herself doesn't think so:

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Back to Dr. Richards, who is surprisingly conservative. She calls the 2004 decision of the International Olympic Committee, which allows transsexuals to compete, “a particularly stupid decision,” explaining that when she sued to play at the U.S. Open, she was 40. “I wasn’t going to overwhelm Chris Evert and Tracy Austin, who were 20 years old.”
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Re: Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

Sarah Gronert is/was "intersex" which is completely different from transgender.

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As far as I can tell the lady in the article - Sarah Gronert - no longer plays pro, but since she was ranked in the 500s you could probably argue no benefit!

I would say "yes" to the question. Testosterone is no longer a factor once you've had you're testicles removed and are on female hormones. Plus it's not like some players - Serena, Maria, Vika, etc... - don't already have a huge genetic advantage over the Haleps and Erranis of this world and no-one's suggesting weight classes as they have in boxing.

The only time it would be an issue is if a transsexual became hugely successful, but how many teens are trans and how many of those are budding pro-tennis players? It's probably a non-issue.

Gronert got much higher than the 500s actually. She got to around 150 last Summer! But she's not transexual anyway, she's intersex (a hermaphrodite) and was born with both male and female parts, so I think she's a completely different circumstances. (And her participation should never have been put into question imo - of course she should have been allowed!)


I don't think I know quite enough about the hormones and medication involved to really give an opinion on whether transsexuals should be allowed to compete, but I'm maybe inclined to say they shouldn't.

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Re: Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

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Re: Should Transsexuals be allowed to play in the WTA?

Sarah Gronert both looks like a woman and is a woman, totally different situation from transgender. By the way she's been inactive for like a year and Wikipedia says she's retired, anyone know what happened?

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