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isn't testosterone more surprising and alarming, rather than this DHEA supplement? or is the higher testosterone level a direct result of supplementing DHEA?

Yes, DHEA helps to raise the level of testosterone in the body as well as other hormones such as estrogen.
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Re: Abigail Spears fails a dope Test and is Suspended

I find Abigail's answer incredibly mature and and this is nothing like Maria Sharapova and Sara Errani cases. It's very likely the end of her career as well

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I find Abigail's answer incredibly mature and and this is nothing like Maria Sharapova and Sara Errani cases. It's very likely the end of her career as well

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Thank you. I'm glad someone else here said it.
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I find Abigail's answer incredibly mature and and this is nothing like Maria Sharapova and Sara Errani cases. It's very likely the end of her career as well

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But does the way she answered change anything? I don't think so, she is a doper and I hope we won't see her on any court again.
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Re: Abigail Spears fails a dope Test and is Suspended

This “doper” word is really becoming something here.

Some of you just like to fight and use words to elicit furry and attention.


I would consider a “doper” someone intentionally and consistently using illegal performance enhancing drugs to get an advantage. That’s not the case here, whatsoever.


That wasn’t the case with a lot of these high profile cases.
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Oh he’s justa. Bubble of fat insecure sunshine isn’t here then?

People drag other people for what they are most insecure about.

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This “doper” word is really becoming something here.

Some of you just like to fight and use words to elicit furry and attention.


I would consider a “doper” someone intentionally and consistently using illegal performance enhancing drugs to get an advantage. That’s not the case here, whatsoever.


That wasn’t the case with a lot of these high profile cases.

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She's a really nice lady, so this response should be taken as genuine.
Why?

Isn't she a human (who's capable of lying) or is she from another planet?

More relevant tho is that it doesn't look good either way, truth or not — because there's no absolute way of overstating how a tennis pro shouldn't be so dumb enough to not bother to read the labels of PILLS hello? We're not talking about labels of a regular food item.
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At 38 this is likely going to end her career. Even if the tribunal agrees it was not intentional she is probably looking at a ban in the range of 16-24 months.

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Re: Abigail Spears fails a dope Test and is Suspended

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I would consider a “doper” someone intentionally and consistently using illegal performance enhancing drugs to get an advantage. That’s not the case here, whatsoever.
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Re: Abigail Spears fails a dope Test and is Suspended

A female athlete taking a supplement in order to increase the amount of testosterone in her body will always be suspended (except Mattek-Sands of course). Unless something else is going on in her life there should be no exception made as to the length of her ban whether she's nice or not.
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Re: Abigail Spears fails a dope Test and is Suspended

Nice is irrelevant.

It probably makes other players more likely to support her than an aloof character like Sharapova, but it shouldn't influence the tribunal one jot.

And a drug which increases testosterone is likely to be a whole load more effective than meldonium.
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Nice will not influence the doping tribunal but the fact she already admitted “fault” will reduce her ban


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That says it all, really. Who isn't doping then? They're probably all on barely legal stuff or they have 100% reliable masking agents.

the problem with this assumption is that if everybody in the WTA was really using some kind of secret undetectable miracle drug, it wouldn't stay secret for long because the word would leak out... everybody using the same drug would imply that the players & coaches are communicating with each other about the usefulness of it. It's much more likely that any players who dope are doing so on an individual basis, each of them using different kinds off stuff, because they don't want to communicate with anybody else about what they're using. Individual, isolated doping can stay quiet; mass doping can't.
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Re: Abigail Spears fails a dope Test and is Suspended

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I would consider a “doper” someone intentionally and consistently using illegal performance enhancing drugs to get an advantage. That’s not the case here, whatsoever.
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not really, because:
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There are rules about what constitutes doping and not. Rules that any professional player is obliged to know and follow.
It can not depend on personal judgement about anybody’s intentions or if the person is nice or pretty or whatever.


It's pretty obvious that Spears broke the rules and will be punished, even if her offense is found to be unintentional, like Sharapova's was.

Outside the professional athletics world, someone who consumed an illegal drug unintentionally would not forever be known as a "doper". Inside professional sports there are many cases of long term willful, intentional use of anabolic steroids and illegal performance enhancers by athletes who have vehemently lied about their use for years and concocted elaborate schemes to avoid getting caught.

These are the "dopers" who should forever be known as such and lumping athletes who are found guilty one time of unintentional use of a banned substance in with them is wrong but typical of TF mentality.
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