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Her backhand needs a bit of work imo too.
She could also bend her legs more often.
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I kinda expected this, while Karo improved in some ways and Conchi was good for her, it seemed to me like she regressed (especially in the later part of the year) a lot in the mental department. Obviously she's always had problems with big matches <img src="https://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/oh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="oh" class="inlineimg" /> but her losses like against Muchová at Wimby or Kuznetsova in Cincinnati(?) were pretty much just tragic mentally.

Obviously she wants a slam, so it makes sense that she wants to focus on this more. I hope she'll remember the stuff Conchi and Rennae taught her though, as she had a very successful year
The loss to andreescu was a mess as well. She lost because she lost her focus. A lot of her loses is because of her loss of focus. Tbf conchita and rennae are saying the same thing over and over again. Move your feet and keep the intensity.
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Bot knows shes running out of time, thats why shes panicking and changing coaches so frequently.
Certainly feels that way. Don’t blame her though, she’s probably got about 2 more seasons of being a prime contender at the majors, maybe 3. Doesn’t seem the type of player to be out there at 32/33 grinding away.

Martinez was a good fit but perhaps there’s even better out here. As another poster picked up, Pliskova wants what she can’t have in terms of the foot speed. I do think she could train her reactions and initial first step though, which would make things a little easier at least. At the moment she’s still as slow as lava to push off, her speed itself mid-run isn’t *that* bad honestly.

There’s definitely a lot of majors we can point to that Pliskova had her chances in. Will be interesting to see who she pockets, and how it pans out.
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Re: No.2 Karolina Pliskova parts ways with Conchita Martinez

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Certainly feels that way. Don’t blame her though, she’s probably got about 2 more seasons of being a prime contender at the majors, maybe 3. Doesn’t seem the type of player to be out there at 32/33 grinding away.

Martinez was a good fit but perhaps there’s even better out here. As another poster picked up, Pliskova wants what she can’t have in terms of the foot speed. I do think she could train her reactions and initial first step though, which would make things a little easier at least. At the moment she’s still as slow as lava to push off, her speed itself mid-run isn’t *that* bad honestly.

There’s definitely a lot of majors we can point to that Pliskova had her chances in. Will be interesting to see who she pockets, and how it pans out.

She said several times she plans to stop playing when she is 30.
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Well, honestly, I don't think there are a ton of majors we can point to and say 'Pliskova should have won that'. Yes, she's had good results on clay, and yes, she's had good results on grass, but she's beatable by a LOT of players on those surfaces. They uniquely play to strengths that opponents can use to disrupt her (the low bounce on grass keeps her out of her comfort/strike zone, and the slower pace of clay blunts the flatness of her shots).

While I think she's got a better top level on other surfaces than the two players I'm about to mention, but I think she does fall into the same category as Wozniacki and Azarenka of really only being a top tier title threat on hard courts, and the problem is those are the MOST competitive. Those are the events that have maybe 15 players who you wouldn't be surprised to see winning the title, as opposed to Wimbledon and the French, where 5-10 players tops wouldn't be a surprise champion.

Along with the idea of 'zone' players and 'work' players, I think the big developing difference among the younger players on the tour is the degree to which they thrive anywhere, not just hard courts. Osaka, so far, is a hard court player, while Barty is more capable on any surface (although her top level on hard courts is below Osaka's), and we don't yet know how Andreescu fares off of hard courts. Bencic seems to tilt towards hard courts as well, although some of that may be a matter of her wrist on clay and her power deficit on grass.

Seeing where their rough age peers (i.e. players already on tour full-time but under ~24, like Vondrousova, Kenin, Sabalenka, Muchova, Yastremska, Anisimova, etc.) slot into that constellation will be a big determining factor of who ends up with how many majors, and where, for the next decade.
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She said several times she plans to stop playing when she is 30.
I mean, so did the Williams sisters, so....
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...Seeing where their rough age peers (i.e. players already on tour full-time but under ~24, like Vondrousova, Kenin, Sabalenka, Muchova, Yastremska, Anisimova, etc.) slot into that constellation will be a big determining factor of who ends up with how many majors, and where, for the next decade.
Yastremska has already won titles on both hard and clay courts. She only played three grass tournaments as a senior this year, losing in the first round at Birmingham (to Goerges) and Eastbourne (Konta) before making it to the fourth round at Wimbledon, beating Kenin in the second round before losing to Zhang Shuai. Her game has picked up so much since then that I wouldn't be surprised to see her challenging for top honours next year. Don't forget, either, that she was runner-up at Junior Wimbledon, in possibly the best girls' final I've seen.

Vondrousova to me is much more a clay-courter, while Kenin, Sabalenka and Anisimova seem (again, to me) to be much more effective on hard courts. I was surprised that Sabalenka didn't do better on grass, having lost to Aiava (1st round in Den Bosch) and Hsieh (1st round in Birmingham) before getting to the quarter-finals in Eastbourne (losing to Bertens) and another first round loss at Wimbledon (to Rybarikova). I haven't seen enough of Muchova to form an opinion.
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Re: No.2 Karolina Pliskova parts ways with Conchita Martinez



I guess Karolina wants to finally win a Grand Slam next year !
And not only suck in the Slams like this year.
And yes, the main problem is that Karo moves too slow.
(Imagine the other Top 10 players would move as slow as Karolina …)
Yes, overall Conchita was good for and helped Karolina.
But yes, lately Karolina regressed in movement.
Also she clearly showed mental weakness at the Grand Slams this year.

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She might have been moving like a seasoned clay courter in some matches, but the reason she lost e.g. the YEC semis to Barty was that her biggest weapon went AWOL and it was actually the Australian who made the most of this biggest weapon in tennis and used it in her own favour:



BTW, those 13 extra free points Ash gained on aces/DFs are equal to the difference in the total points won in the match. Now imagine those points went in Karo's favour regardless of how she was moving or running across the court following the instructions from Conchita's training drills
She also somehow couldn't out-ace Osaka in Melbourne like she did in the Osaka final. Maybe the issue lies with her, on how she plays on the big stage. She has a great serve, sounds confident in PCs, just somehow can't get that extra step right.



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I'm not that convinced of him until she announces him as new Coach.
He was also in Shenzhen so, you never know... time will tell/
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I've said it before. Pliskova has lost a bit of sting on her forehand this year. For someone with her lack of speed, she can't afford it. She lost it gradually over the year, i noticed it in Miami at least. She needs to get back to basics, maybe go back to her Czech tennis academy where she started?
I wonder if all the instruction from a top coach is muddling her brain.
I like Conchita too, hope she finds success again with someone else.

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Maybe Karolina Pliskova should keep Conchita and add a mental coach (for the Slams).

A mental coach could help Karolina to be mentally strong, focused and play her best at the Slams.

Karolina had a strong start of the year, winning Brisbane and reaching Aus Open SF.
And then peaked at some WTA tournaments this year (Miami final, Rome title, Eastbourne title).
BUT Karolina flopped at the past 3 Grand Slams this year She should never have lost at the Grand Slams this year to Muchova, Konta and Martic Bad and disappointing losses. These were winnable matches for Karolina and not unbeatable opponents. Even against Osaka at Aus Open she was close and had chances to win.
Quite disappointing rest of the year after the heartbreaking Wimbledon loss (6-4 5-7 11-13)

Her bad and slow movement is a HUGE problem for Karolina
Barty, Andreescu, Osaka, Svitolina, Halep, Bencic, Serena, Kenin, Yastremska (and many other WTA players) move so much better and faster. And that is a HUGE problem and disadvantage for Karolina on her way to the dream Grand Slam title.
Karolina must improve her footwork/movement, needs more speed. Hard to improve for the tall player Karolina. But she musty try it.

And as was mentioned before, Karolina must make her SERVE great again !
I mean Barty, Serena, Osaka, Svitolina, Konta and so on peak on serve. Actually the serve is a big reason for Barty´s success. So Karolina must also peak on serve (in the Slams) !

Karolina needs to serve at her best and must move better/faster.
If she stays mentally weak at the Slams, her serve is off and she keeps moving slow, then she will stay a slamless #1.

Karolina knows that slowly her time is running out and the window of opportunity to win a Grand Slam (obviously THE goal of the rest of her career) is closing slowly. I hope Karo will win a Grand Slam like Caroline Wozniacki did - when most people had given up the hope on her ! She is a great player and deserves it.

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Maybe Karolina Pliskova should keep Conchita and add a mental coach (for the Slams).

A mental coach could help Karolina to be mentally strong, focused and play her best at the Slams.
Well she has been working with Marian Jelinek since 2016, he joined the team weeks before her run at US Open, now seems like whatever the strategy is, is not working that well anymore.

I have been thinking she should change him for someone else, the question is who.

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The loss to andreescu was a mess as well. She lost because she lost her focus. A lot of her loses is because of her loss of focus. Tbf conchita and rennae are saying the same thing over and over again. Move your feet and keep the intensity.
Exactly. Also Konta at USO in that exact manner. Basically, the second half of the season was a mental mess (bar Zhengzhou). That's why I think she's looking for someone who can literally drill that focus into her head - Rennae was super great at it during OCC, sure, but that doesn't help you at slams (not to mention that's when Rennae didn't have time to coach her at all). So imo that's probably the thing she feels she's missing.

Of course, while it is bold as hell, and I hope it works, it could also backfire big time. She could be so focused on slams she'll perform worse than ever at them no matter what, due to nerves.

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It was a good partnership

Honestly, Conchita (and Stubbs) helped her a lot with improving her movement, but she definitely lost some of her aggression in the process. Kind of how when Dementieva improved her serve, she became a grinder who engaged in overly long rallies and too often relied on her athleticism to get her through points. I don't know how much of it comes down to Conchita, but Karolina should be looking to play first-strike tennis. In important matches, she has a tendency to become more passive, and of course, her mental lapses play into that as well. I hope she can find the right balance.
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Pliskova has shown promise at every slam except Wimbledon. I would love her to win a Slam, but i feel like her time has passed. Would love to see her movement improve and win a USO against Andreescu in the final.

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