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Williams sisters, Sharapova, Seles (esp. because stabbing), Graf, Navratilova, Evert

Osaka, Gauff as well I guess

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Men big 3
Women Serena , venus , maria sharapova and before someone say i am saying it bcoz she is my bias, no its not true. They also know Naomi these days as she was in current affairs topic revision from sep to june for like 9 months bcoz of 2 slams b2b lolsss. Her 2 slams b2b made headlines and that gauff incident also got applauded in news and newspapers....
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Friends that I don't talk about tennis know "Sabrina" Williams, "wasn't there this japanese player?" , "Steffi Graf isn't playing anymore right?", the "dopista Sharapova (but she is also attractive!)" and Angelique Kerber.

Friends that I speak to about tennis know Jelana Jankovic, Angieszka Radwanska, Kim Clijsters or Sillisters.

My great aount knows "the Pierce - she walked so straight!", Hingis "she was a bit unfriendly" and the "tall Williams sisters".
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Good thread Fon. It will be interesting to see the replies.

I suspect it'll generally be low numbers, but then again, I think many general sports fans would struggle to name 10 active ATP players.
Is it that interesting? Why is tennis the only sport where supposedly hardcore fans obsess over what casual fans know or think? Why do people like fongoeswest act as though the sport lives and dies by what people who don't care about it think? I'm so bored of TF's obsession with marketability and mainstream appeal. Does it appeal to YOU, is the question, and if not then no one's forcing you to keep watching it.

Football fans don't care which footballers I've heard of (I don't follow it at all).

I follow athletics, gymnastics and golf in an extremely casual way but I don't see fans of those sports caring which of their athletes I've heard of.

The answers are all exactly what you expect with minor variance between countries, anyway. Why is it interesting to reiterate that Serena, Venus and Sharapova are the best known names in women's tennis? They're the ones that friends with zero interest in tennis could name. Some more casual fans could probably name Osaka, Konta, Watson, Andreescu, Gauff, but it's pretty random - if you don't really follow the sport but happen to have the TV on during Wimbledon when a Hsieh match is on, you'll remember her even if you don't know most top 20 players.
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They know Serena, Venus and Sharapova.

To my dad, every tall blonde player is Sharapova and every black player is Serena or Venus. Until I tell him otherwise.

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Is it that interesting? Why is tennis the only sport where supposedly hardcore fans obsess over what casual fans know or think? Why do people like fongoeswest act as though the sport lives and dies by what people who don't care about it think? I'm so bored of TF's obsession with marketability and mainstream appeal. Does it appeal to YOU, is the question, and if not then no one's forcing you to keep watching it.



Football fans don't care which footballers I've heard of (I don't follow it at all).



I follow athletics, gymnastics and golf in an extremely casual way but I don't see fans of those sports caring which of their athletes I've heard of.



The answers are all exactly what you expect with minor variance between countries, anyway. Why is it interesting to reiterate that Serena, Venus and Sharapova are the best known names in women's tennis? They're the ones that friends with zero interest in tennis could name. Some more casual fans could probably name Osaka, Konta, Watson, Andreescu, Gauff, but it's pretty random - if you don't really follow the sport but happen to have the TV on during Wimbledon when a Hsieh match is on, you'll remember her even if you don't know most top 20 players.
I read an article where when it comes to tv viewers, the average age that watches ATP is 61. For the WTA, it's 55.

Maybe it's different with streaming.

I think both tours are looking for marketable superstars along the likes of Williams, Sharapova, Nadal, Federer etc.

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I don't talk tennis with my non tennis friends. Is that weird?
Not weird at all. As a guy who follows WTA and not ATP it's kind of exhausting explaining to people why I don't watch guys tennis anymore. I like parity. But, their response is always, 'oh you like watching girls running around in skirts'.
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Is it that interesting? Why is tennis the only sport where supposedly hardcore fans obsess over what casual fans know or think? Why do people like fongoeswest act as though the sport lives and dies by what people who don't care about it think? I'm so bored of TF's obsession with marketability and mainstream appeal. Does it appeal to YOU, is the question, and if not then no one's forcing you to keep watching it.

Football fans don't care which footballers I've heard of (I don't follow it at all).

I follow athletics, gymnastics and golf in an extremely casual way but I don't see fans of those sports caring which of their athletes I've heard of.

The answers are all exactly what you expect with minor variance between countries, anyway. Why is it interesting to reiterate that Serena, Venus and Sharapova are the best known names in women's tennis? They're the ones that friends with zero interest in tennis could name. Some more casual fans could probably name Osaka, Konta, Watson, Andreescu, Gauff, but it's pretty random - if you don't really follow the sport but happen to have the TV on during Wimbledon when a Hsieh match is on, you'll remember her even if you don't know most top 20 players.
You've kind of answered that in your reply. If you don't care about marketability or 'star power', another word often used on here, then you won't really find it interesting at all, but if you do, then you will.

I like those ESPN Fame lists, and do quite like it when players cross over more to the mainstream, but while the Williams' and Sharapova will obviously be known to a wider audience, I'd be interested to see if newer players like Osaka, Andreescu, Gauff, who you reference, had crossed over more, especially in their home countries, or if they will just get a certain spike at bigger events.
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My boyfriend knows some of the GOATs of past generations (Graf, Navratilova, King, Seles), the Williams sisters, and I made sure he knows who Martina Hingis is
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Williams sisters, Sharapova (all because of me)!
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You've kind of answered that in your reply. If you don't care about marketability or 'star power', another word often used on here, then you won't really find it interesting at all, but if you do, then you will.

I like those ESPN Fame lists, and do quite like it when players cross over more to the mainstream, but while the Williams' and Sharapova will obviously be known to a wider audience, I'd be interested to see if newer players like Osaka, Andreescu, Gauff, who you reference, had crossed over more, especially in their home countries, or if they will just get a certain spike at bigger events.
I guess I don't understand why people care about marketability and star power when they don't have any financial stake in the sport. Whether "everyone" likes players seems to take precedence over whether they like them.
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Is it that interesting? Why is tennis the only sport where supposedly hardcore fans obsess over what casual fans know or think? Why do people like fongoeswest act as though the sport lives and dies by what people who don't care about it think? I'm so bored of TF's obsession with marketability and mainstream appeal. Does it appeal to YOU, is the question, and if not then no one's forcing you to keep watching it.

Football fans don't care which footballers I've heard of (I don't follow it at all).

I follow athletics, gymnastics and golf in an extremely casual way but I don't see fans of those sports caring which of their athletes I've heard of.

The answers are all exactly what you expect with minor variance between countries, anyway. Why is it interesting to reiterate that Serena, Venus and Sharapova are the best known names in women's tennis? They're the ones that friends with zero interest in tennis could name. Some more casual fans could probably name Osaka, Konta, Watson, Andreescu, Gauff, but it's pretty random - if you don't really follow the sport but happen to have the TV on during Wimbledon when a Hsieh match is on, you'll remember her even if you don't know most top 20 players.
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Serena Williams
Maria Sharapova
Venus Williams or “the other Williams sister”
Bianca Andreescu (everybody in Toronto after USO 2019)

Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Novak Djokovic (to a lesser extend)
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Maria, then Serena, sometimes Venus (aka Serena’s sister). Big 3 in the men’s side.
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I live in the U.S.

Serena, Venus, Sharapova, Gauff. Some know Osaka. That’s literally it.


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