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The WTA Finals lost their status as the tour's crown jewel

In my opinion the WTA Finals have lost their status as the tour's crown jewel. Today the WTA Finals are just an ordinary tournament with a shitload of points, but their prestige and importance no longer add much to a player's resume. In the past, winning the WTA Finals was almost as important as winning a Grand Slam. From 1972 to 2015, the tournament had always been won by Grand Slam champions, with only one exception in 1982. Three of the last four editions have been captured by slamless champions instead, which is certainly not a good sign: Where were the big champions in those editions? While the Slams are constantly growing in terms of traditions, prestige and importance, the WTA Finals have gone downhill due to a bunch of questionable choices by the WTA management:

1) In order to build traditions, the WTA Finals need a steady location, ideally in a global city or a prestigious sports' arena. Moving the tournament around to a bunch of different locations and venues doesn't allow the tournament to grow or have any sort of continuity. It feels like a different and brand new tournament every three, five or ten years.
2) The Fall calendar is a mess. Players are chasing points in different parts of the globe with different time-zones and playing conditions. Most of them make it to the Finals completely exhausted. In September and October as a build-up to the Finals , there should be some low-key Premier and International events in cozy playing conditions, ideally indoors and in the same time-zone as the Finals.
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eh it was bad the last couple of years no doubt but this year will be great assuming Andreescu, Barty, Osaka continue like they have been doing recently .all young slam champions and i suspect one of them to win it rather than the boring Svitolina/Pliskova .

so i think we will get a good winner again this year .

i do think the tournament needs to move back to Europe ideally .although i don't really think that would have changed anything with regards to whos been winning it recently
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1) It's really unfortunate that WTA finals has stayed for some many years in China.
2) WTA should make the surface faster, it makes the quality of the matches much better.
3) WTA road to WTA Finals should end in Beijing. It would also help make Asian Swing more excited too.
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It was NEVER as important as a Grand Slam.
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I’m here for a WTA yearbook photo. That’s all I care about YEC.
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WTA itself is too incompetent and treats its own crown jewel like an afterthought: the WTA Awards are given one week before the WTA finals begins. In other words the WTA finals matches have no impact on the award results (since the following year's awards only take into account what happens from January 1st onward)
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1) It's really unfortunate that WTA finals has stayed for some many years in China.
2) WTA should make the surface faster, it makes the quality of the matches much better.
3) WTA road to WTA Finals should end in Beijing. It would also help make Asian Swing more excited too.
1) WTA finals has never been played in China for once
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1) It's really unfortunate that WTA finals has stayed for some many years in China.
2) WTA should make the surface faster, it makes the quality of the matches much better.
3) WTA road to WTA Finals should end in Beijing. It would also help make Asian Swing more excited too.
1) WTA finals has never been played in China for once
It will stay in Shenzhen for 10 years...

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It would be nice if the venue for YEC changed annually.

I also think that the bloated tour makes each tournament less relevant. The whole thing needs simplifying as mentioned in other threads.
It's a shame that ATP and WTA events aren't integrated more often - the more successful tournaments like Indian Wells, Miami or Rome are ones where both are playing the same event at the same time.

Until changes like this are made, the fairweather tennis fan is unlikely to care about a YEC in China which plays at a time that most of the world is in bed.
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It will stay in Shenzhen for 10 years...
Then you can say "1)It's really unfortunate that WTA finals will stay for some many years in China."

And poor Shenzhen has nothing to do with this topic, if the status is already lost.
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It does hurt the tournament's credibility when Radwanska and Cibulkova win it with a 1-2 RR record.

The prize money increase is extraordinary as well. Half the field would struggle to sell out a 3000 seats stadium yet one of them may leave Shenzhen with the biggest cheque in tennis' history.
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In my opinion the WTA Finals have lost their status as the tour's crown jewel. Today the WTA Finals are just an ordinary tournament with a shitload of points, but their prestige and importance no longer add much to a player's resume. In the past, winning the WTA Finals was almost as important as winning a Grand Slam. From 1972 to 2015, the tournament had always been won by Grand Slam champions, with only one exception in 1982. Three of the last four editions have been captured by slamless champions instead, which is certainly not a good sign: Where were the big champions in those editions? While the Slams are constantly growing in terms of traditions, prestige and importance, the WTA Finals have gone downhill due to a bunch of questionable choices by the WTA management:

1) In order to build traditions, the WTA Finals need a steady location, ideally in a global city or a prestigious sports' arena. Moving the tournament around to a bunch of different locations and venues doesn't allow the tournament to grow or have any sort of continuity. It feels like a different and brand new tournament every three, five or ten years.
2) The Fall calendar is a mess. Players are chasing points in different parts of the globe with different time-zones and playing conditions. Most of them make it to the Finals completely exhausted. In September and October as a build-up to the Finals , there should be some low-key Premier and International events in cozy playing conditions, ideally indoors and in the same time-zone as the Finals.
Gabriela Sabatini won the YEC in 1988 without having won a slam by then.
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I would argue that it's been a joke since Madrid. The Doha stint had good players winning (thank god) and even some great matches over the years, but overall I remember it as empty stadiums, lots of boring matches, and a certain Wonder Woman not bothering to show up. Istanbul was a great atmosphere, although frankly I can't remember many good matches from it, and then the Singapore mud happened and things have been a mess. Maybe Shenzhen will pull a Wuhan and get the court speed right but I don't have much hope .
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Gabriela Sabatini won the YEC in 1988 without having won a slam by then.
So did Mauresmo and Woz more recently, but let's be real that Lady Aga and Pome are not going to save that tradition. Even Elaine is far from a given.
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Lets look at the last decade, 2009-2018
2009 Serena/Venus
2010 Clijsters/Wozniacki
2011 Kvitova/Azarenka
2012 Serena/Sharapova
2013 Serena/Li
2014 Serena/Halep
2015 Radwanska/Kvitova
2017 Wozniacki/Venus

That is a pretty good look at the last decade and if we get a final like Andreescu/Osaka/Barty in some way, it continues

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