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Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

I know this time of the year is usually a scramble for the YEC, but I can't remember a recent season when the dramatics of the people trying to snatch those last couple of spots ever resulted in good tennis. We just get vulturing, questionable WC gifting, and poor zombie-like performances. Is there an answer to all of this? Or do we just have to accept that this is how it's been and will always be?
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

I thought the big match was Osaka/Andreescu in Beijing, because Bianca had won Rogers Cup & NYC in a row and if she won Beijing, she goes into Shenzhen as clear PotY
Now there is more intrigue , maybe wide open, and the players trying to get in 7,8 are not known for their wins in high pressure matches, so it could create some sloppy tennis. But when they get there, they are underdogs and might play better

This is a bit of a changing of the guard in the WTA the last 14 months since Osaka won the US Open and that could show in Shenzhen
Now Andreescu, Osaka and Barty are at the top and the 3 favorites, and lets see if they beat the older players here
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

Usually it ends up rather anticlimatic with potential contenders going out in their first match. So most of the years it is just hard to get behind it all.
I was so impressed when Sveta of all people held it together and managed to get that last spot in 2016 with her title win in Moscow! She really overcame some challenges along the way and put on an excellent performance in the final! She also proved that it is possible to perform well at the YEC right after just sneaking in. If the situation pans out like this it is quite exciting, as every match carries quite some importance and I would diasgree that it actually resulted in some good tennis particularly against Svitolina and Gavrilova.

I am equally impressed with Belinda's efforts so far mentally and physically. Tomorrow will be one of the most important matches of her career this far. So once again I am enjoying that race this year. Even though the qualify of her matches has not been outstanding. At least she is leaving it all out on the court and doing her very best. And if she does it, she will even be able to rest for a week this time around!

I don't think it will ever change. The WC stuff could be avoided, but sometimes players may not realise that in 6 weeks they will have a final shot to get to the YEC, even though it would be advisable for any player ranked in some proximity after NY to enter Moscow. The level of play will usually suffer, as players are tired and the ones in the race will overplay to at least try all they can. I don't really see a solution, as the YEC carry so much importance that players will go out of their way to qualify, even if they are not in the Right physical state to play. I mean Konta may still regret not trying everything and playing Moscow in 2016.

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I thought the big match was Osaka/Andreescu in Beijing, because Bianca had won Rogers Cup & NYC in a row and if she won Beijing, she goes into Shenzhen as clear PotY
Now there is more intrigue , maybe wide open, and the players trying to get in 7,8 are not known for their wins in high pressure matches, so it could create some sloppy tennis. But when they get there, they are underdogs and might play better

This is a bit of a changing of the guard in the WTA the last 14 months since Osaka won the US Open and that could show in Shenzhen
Now Andreescu, Osaka and Barty are at the top and the 3 favorites, and lets see if they beat the older players here
It is quite clear that the OP is referring to the situation between Kiki and Belinda so I am not really sure what the debate of PotY has to do with qualifying for the YEC in the first place.
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

I really like that players want to go to it at all costs. It is much better for the WTA than some who can't be bothered by anything outside of slams and don't give a fuck for the tour.

There are some interesting stories sometimes, not only Kuznetsova at Moscow, but the Linzgate was also something. Obviously there are some downsides, but I think it's overall positive.

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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

Players SHOULD want to go. There is only 1 major until June, thats 8 months. This is by far the 2nd biggest event in these 8 months
This is slam money and a lot of points you keep all of 2020. Its really a gift for the elite players, the rich get richer.
And when you look at the finals year after year, it is a great look at what is happening on tour in that era. Not every final but a lot of them
Thats why I expect players like Bencic and Bertens to be nervous, a lot is on the line trying to get in the final 8

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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

If I remember correctly. Just a couple of years ago- maybe 2010 I’m not sure-

It came down to Jankovic vs Someone(maybe Bepa Z) in the quarterfinals Moscow and JJ got it. I think it was the same exact situation we have now.


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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

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I thought the big match was Osaka/Andreescu in Beijing, because Bianca had won Rogers Cup & NYC in a row and if she won Beijing, she goes into Shenzhen as clear PotY
Now there is more intrigue , maybe wide open, and the players trying to get in 7,8 are not known for their wins in high pressure matches, so it could create some sloppy tennis. But when they get there, they are underdogs and might play better

This is a bit of a changing of the guard in the WTA the last 14 months since Osaka won the US Open and that could show in Shenzhen
Now Andreescu, Osaka and Barty are at the top and the 3 favorites, and lets see if they beat the older players here
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

I think it's great! I do wish that players that aren't going to play would maybe announce it earlier but it could be a contractual think with the tour and tournament. And am not just talking about Serena.

And I'm really hoping Belinda gets in, just on a personal level, so glad she is doing all she can right now. And if she doesn't, oh well, she tried.

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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

I'm enjoying it. The tennis isn't great but the intrigue is high! Plus it is creating a deeper narrative for the finals as well. Emerging youngsters (Bencic included if she manages to qualify) vs old guard. Intense battle to get remaining spot, how will that player perform? Who is the player of the year? Nice tie up to the end of the season. I'm more excited about the Tsiptsipas vs Medvedev feud though.

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Two years ago Caroline Garcia was #16 in the race and she literally had to win everything in order to get the 8th spot away from Konta. Every match of hers was intriguing because of what was at stake. Does her dream end or does Konta’s. Talk about drama!!
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Kuznetsova's Iron Woman performance in 2016 is the standout, IMO. I enjoyed that tremendously, and in part because I don't think she took a wildcard into the later events (Tianjin, Moscow) but rather played out her planned schedule and happened to qualify.
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

Literally desperation mode from players who have coasted all year. Bencic being in the YEC is laughable... she won Dubai and tanked in three out of the four slams.

The WTA should do a better job at not rewarding vulturing. If you aren’t committed two months prior to the Asian/Europe swing, you shouldn’t get wild cards just so you can vulture some points and withdraw.
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

I like it and it adds to the drama in the last quarter of the season, when it surely could be dull as hell post US Open...

It’s adds some playoff race-like drama one sees in team sports which is very cool...

As far as Barty, Osaka, and Andreescu being favorites, these players are so low key right now with next to nothing on social media about prep for this... Andreescu’s only social media has been all her social events, which I’m not sure what that means if anything; she *could* be training behind the scenes also...

The only one of note I’ve seen on social media talking about getting ready, besides the players still playing, is Petra... Does that make her a visible favorite here?
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

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I like it and it adds to the drama in the last quarter of the season, when it surely could be dull as hell post US Open...

It’s adds some playoff race-like drama one sees in team sports which is very cool...

As far as Barty, Osaka, and Andreescu being favorites, these players are so low key right now with next to nothing on social media about prep for this... Andreescu’s only social media has been all her social events, which I’m not sure what that means if anything; she *could* be training behind the scenes also...

The only one of note I’ve seen on social media talking about getting ready, besides the players still playing, is Petra... Does that make her a visible favorite here?
during practice players should be.. practicing , not taking tons of photos and posing for social media strange i know
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Re: Do you like the pre-YEC drama?

Last year, the last four to qualify ended up in the semis.
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