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Cori Gauff is the best pusher in the WTA right now

girl hasn't made an unforced error in like 6 months... this is peak Wozniacka-level stuff. Nobody on tour is going to beat Gauff by out-retrieving/out-pushing her... the onus is on you to find a way to make her miss. Whether that's by junk-balling her or big hitting, i don't know. But the defensive wall on its own is not going to work.
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Has a better serve fitness and net skills than Wozniacki but her drop shot technique is just as whack. But I agree with you in the fact that she has very solid ground stroke technique. Can't expect her to be ripping the balls as hard as the women who have fully matured and finished through puberty however

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Re: Cori Gauff is the best pusher in the WTA right now

Her dropshots almost always work though, regardless of the technique (which could never be said about Wozniacki's dropshots). It's mostly because Gauff has a fantastic instinct for when to play them. That's also why she hardly ever misses - she only goes for the shot she knows she can get in court.

Not sure why people expect her to become a first-strike player when she grows older though. Aggressive-minded players play that way from when they're kids regardless of whether they have an adult's power. Take a look at the Potapova/Yastremska Wimbledon final when they were 15/16 years old. As Gauff gets older her strength and stamina will make her an even more formidable counterpuncher.
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girl hasn't made an unforced error in like 6 months... this is peak Wozniacka-level stuff. Nobody on tour is going to beat Gauff by out-retrieving/out-pushing her... the onus is on you to find a way to make her miss. Whether that's by junk-balling her or big hitting, i don't know. But the defensive wall on its own is not going to work.
I see the term pusher used a lot, and I can't really get my head around it. Is there some sort of objective criteria for players to meet to be labelled a pusher ie

Is it because they don't make UFE's, or because their strategy is to keep putting the ball back in play waiting/hoping that their opponent will make an error, or something else.

When I watch Gauff play it appears she is trying to win points and her opponents end up making a lot of forced errors.
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She's 15. Wait till she gets some muscle behind those shots.
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Re: Cori Gauff is the best pusher in the WTA right now

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I see the term pusher used a lot, and I can't really get my head around it. Is there some sort of objective criteria for players to meet to be labelled a pusher ie

Is it because they don't make UFE's, or because their strategy is to keep putting the ball back in play waiting/hoping that their opponent will make an error, or something else.

When I watch Gauff play it appears she is trying to win points and her opponents end up making a lot of forced errors.
The objective TF criteria is, they can't sensibly be labelled as a brainless ball basher...

I mean generally, even fairly aggressive players who are stronger on the backhand side than forehand side (e.g. Flavia Pennetta) will get labelled as pushers, because for some posters, they seem to only pay attention to the forehand side...
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girl hasn't made an unforced error in like 6 months... this is peak Wozniacka-level stuff. Nobody on tour is going to beat Gauff by out-retrieving/out-pushing her... the onus is on you to find a way to make her miss. Whether that's by junk-balling her or big hitting, i don't know. But the defensive wall on its own is not going to work.
You really are determined to make a fool of yourself with this thread. It is eye opening how some posters will look for any way to put down a a 15 year old black girl. They need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
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I see the term pusher used a lot, and I can't really get my head around it. Is there some sort of objective criteria for players to meet to be labelled a pusher ie

I use the term facetiously the way it used by others here... of course it's actually correct to say retriever/counterpuncher.
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The objective TF criteria is, they can't sensibly be labelled as a brainless ball basher...

I mean generally, even fairly aggressive players who are stronger on the backhand side than forehand side (e.g. Flavia Pennetta) will get labelled as pushers, because for some posters, they seem to only pay attention to the forehand side...
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Your explanation makes good sense, as you point out it would seem to allow only 2 types of players, pushers and UFE machines.

One of the reasons I find tennis interesting is because not everyone plays the same way, and players have to make adjustments depending on their opponent.
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The objective TF criteria is, they can't sensibly be labelled as a brainless ball basher...

I mean generally, even fairly aggressive players who are stronger on the backhand side than forehand side (e.g. Flavia Pennetta) will get labelled as pushers, because for some posters, they seem to only pay attention to the forehand side...
Literally anyone who doesn't play shrieking first-strike tennis gets labelled a "pusher" here. I think to most TFers constructing a point that lasts more than 4 strokes constitutes pushing.

Also telling that when you praise a player's counterpunching ability, a lot of people here take that as an insult!
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She's 15. Wait till she gets some muscle behind those shots.
Not a lot of players change their instincts just because they develop. Wozniacki didn't suddenly become a power player when she reached her physical peak.

It's a really curious thing, because a lot of the language around Gauff refers to athleticism, but that doesn't always equate to power/proactive play. I'll believe Gauff is the real deal when she wins big, or if she remains on her trajectory and remains healthy in 3+ years time, or if her game develops.

In the interim, it's all promising, but it's odd to project she will play as a power player in 5 years time. Rarely do young players who make their hay by scrapping suddenly transform into dictating play.
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You really are determined to make a fool of yourself with this thread. It is eye opening how some posters will look for any way to put down a a 15 year old black girl. They need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
Not sure the relevance of Gauff being a "black girl" to the comment you responded to. I'd hoped all these silly race-baiting would end with the Williams (we don't see much of it with the likes of Sloane or Maddy for example) but seems Gauff will be adopted as the new subject of race hysteria just in perfect time for the Williams retirement.
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Not sure either why anyone thinks a player being a teenager somehow means you have to be fans or you're somehow beyond the pale. When I was a fan of a teenage Nadal, many didn't like his game or his compulsive behavior. And that's okay. You don't have to stan anybody just because they're kids.
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Not a lot of players change their instincts just because they develop. Wozniacki didn't suddenly become a power player when she reached her physical peak.

It's a really curious thing, because a lot of the language around Gauff refers to athleticism, but that doesn't always equate to power/proactive play. I'll believe Gauff is the real deal when she wins big, or if she remains on her trajectory and remains healthy in 3+ years time, or if her game develops.

In the interim, it's all promising, but it's odd to project she will play as a power player in 5 years time. Rarely do young players who make their hay by scrapping suddenly transform into dictating play.
Sloane Stephens is an example of how athleticism != aggressiveness.

However at 15 you can see how Gauff is still growing into her body, and getting used to the WTA level physicality.
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Pushlep schooled her like crazy.
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