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How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

This isn't a literal question but more of the oddity of her situation

A GS QF, GS Rd16, 2 Int Finals, 4 Premier Semifinals and 3 other Quarterfinals but is 21 in the world......she is currently 15 in the race but could foreseeable not crack the top 20 !! Her current ranks has-

Tokyo Premier SF
Beijing P5 3R
Luxembourg Int QF
Brisbane Premier SF
St.Petersburg Premier F
Acapulco Int SF
Stuttgart Premier QF
Madrid P5 3R
Nottingham Int F
San Jose Premier SF
Cincinnati P5 3R
Roland Garros 4R
US Open QF

I know there have been complaints about the rankings before, but this is a bit much. Girls like Wang, Kontaveit, Sevastova seem to have similar if not less results but have been 15, 15 and 11 respectively yet Donna hasn't even gotten to 20!!
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

This has more to do with what other girls did in Asia last year. Since most or all of them likely won't be able to replicate those results this year, Donna should be in the Top 20 by end of season and might even crack the Top 15.

#12 - Wang (1,670 points to defend in Asia)
#13 - Sabalenka (1,335 points to defend)
#14 - Stephens (1,200 points)
#15 - Kerber (725 points)
#17 - Wozniacki (1,605 points)
#18 - Sevastova (995 points)
#19 - Kontaveit (965 points)
#21 - Vekic (425 points)
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

always wondering the same thing, that gal is somehow perenially underranked.
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

Itíd be nice to see her cap off such a good season with a title in the fall. Itís been a while.

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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

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This has more to do with what other girls did in Asia last year. Since most or all of them likely won't be able to replicate those results this year, Donna should be in the Top 20 by end of season and might even crack the Top 15.

#12 - Wang (1,670 points to defend in Asia)
#13 - Sabalenka (1,335 points to defend)
#14 - Stephens (1,200 points)
#15 - Kerber (725 points)
#17 - Wozniacki (1,605 points)
#18 - Sevastova (995 points)
#19 - Kontaveit (965 points)
#21 - Vekic (425 points)
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

Donít worry, she is soon going to be in the top 20 and Sloane (Iím going to take a sick day) Stephens will be on the way out.
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

She should finish the year there. But will she maintain after her solid year this year.

Donna is missing a killer instinct to be top 10, but she is quite young.

More pop on the forehand and serve would do her wonders.
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

Probably because she hasn't won anything?

Getting deep in tournaments is nice but it can't be stressed enough how important it is to WIN tournaments. In most of them the winner gets twice as many points as the finalist (who gets twice as many points as a SF). So winning just one tournament is the same as getting into the SF of four other equivalent tournaments. More efficient too.

Also: A lot of her deep runs seem to be Ps and ITFs which, if you want to be top 10, are junk points. To be top 10 or top 20 you have to go very deep in Slams or win PMs/P5s. Almost any other tournament is a waste of time pointwise.

Vekic has 0 titles, 1 ITF final and 1 Premier final. Her Slam record is terrible: She reached the QF of the USO which is only slightly worse than winning a Premier tournament. She washed out of the others. That's not good enough.

Here you have her record of 13 tournaments accumulating 2400 points, an average of 184.6 points per tournament, the equivalent of reaching the round of 32 in every Slam (or reaching the finals of every ITF tournament). So she is exactly where she is supposed to be: Top 30.

For contrast: Compare her to Bianca Andreescu, who shot up the rankings like a dart this year despite being injured for four months. Bianca is #5 largely based on winning three tournaments: IW, Rogers, USO. Three tournaments, 3900 points. (she also won an ITF and made it to the final of another before she started her winning streak).

It's about quality, not quantity. Playing well in lots of tournaments is good. But playing fewer tournaments and winning them is better.
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

Game-wise she's already top 20 and that's all that counts.
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This has more to do with what other girls did in Asia last year. Since most or all of them likely won't be able to replicate those results this year, Donna should be in the Top 20 by end of season and might even crack the Top 15.

#12 - Wang (1,670 points to defend in Asia)
#13 - Sabalenka (1,335 points to defend)
#14 - Stephens (1,200 points)
#15 - Kerber (725 points)
#17 - Wozniacki (1,605 points)
#18 - Sevastova (995 points)
#19 - Kontaveit (965 points)
#21 - Vekic (425 points)
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I was thinking the same thing as the thread starter after the US Open, then I noticed that most of the players in the #11-20 bracket have shedloads of points to defend in the Asian swing. Sevastova, Sloane and Woz will definitely fall out of the top 20. Donna has been ranked in the same spot pretty much the whole year despite having good results all year.
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I know right ... it is time for an invasion of blonde tall women in top 20: Donna & Amanda first please.

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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

She lacked deep run(s) in large events until reaching QF at the USO, which is why her ranking isn't that high despite being pretty consistent. It's a little bit like how Hsieh failed to match her CHR (#23) despite playing pretty well since last year (until her recent slump...) with all the upsets - she also lacked big results that could really boost her ranking up. Just look at some of the players you mentioned - Kontaveit has Wuhan final (585 pts) while Sevastova has Beijing final (650 pts) which really helped to build their ranking up. It just happened that those deep runs were mostly from the Asian swing last year, like RiskeFan1 illustrated, so it seemed like they have inferior results which isn't exactly the case.

Anyways, Donna is #15 in the race rankings and she should be able to reach the Top 20 soon (unless she struggles to win a match in the Asian swing).
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

Iíve been thinking this a lot lately about Vekic, but more Kenin, who is right at #20. But I guess youíre right, Vekic, and especially Kenin have very little to defend in Asia (135 pts).
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

Ask Wang and Sevastova.
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Re: How is Donna Vekic NOT in the top 20?

Too Croatian.
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