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Records are pressure even for GOATs

Navratilova in 1984 at AO*, after 6 consecutive GS wins, going for the Calendar Years Grand Slam with a 74 matches winning streak lose to Helena Suková în SF.
*AO was the last GS of the season

Graf in 1988, at YEC, after winning the Golden Slam (all 4 + Olympics), going for the never achieved "Super Slam" lose to Pam Shriver in SF.

Serena in 2015, at USO, going for the Calendar Years Grand Slam lose to Roberta Vinci in SF.
Again, Serena, going for record-equaling 24th Slam lose 4 GS finals in a row.

Any other examples? GOATs only.
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Navratilova aiming at a 10th Wimbledon title was everybody's huge favorite to beat "clay-courter" Martinez in 1994 final.. big shock that was despite the 17 years difference

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Navratilova in 1984 at AO*, after 6 consecutive GS wins, going for the Calendar Years Grand Slam with a 74 matches winning streak lose to Helena Suková în SF.
*AO was the last GS of the season

Graf in 1988, at YEC, after winning the Golden Slam (all 4 + Olympics), going for the never achieved "Super Slam" lose to Pam Shriver in SF.

Serena in 2015, at USO, going for the Calendar Years Grand Slam lose to Roberta Vinci in SF.
Again, Serena, going for record-equaling 24th Slam lose 4 GS finals in a row.

Any other examples? GOATs only.
"super slam"... Did you invent that ? What is Graf doing in this list ? So she lost in YEC after achieving the calendar slam...Big deal.
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Graf shouldn’t be on this list.

Navratilova’s 10th Wimbledon also shouldn’t be on this list, she already had the record.

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Of course.
The pressure on Serena is HUGE
We can´t even imagine how huge her pressure in Slam finals is.

And with every lost Grand Slam final the pressure gets bigger and bigger
Serena is not getting any younger. I think she must win these 2 Grand Slams next year.

Steffi Graf was AMAZING to have won the Golden Slam
How mentally strong and consistent you must be to achieve that. GOAT
One of the biggest achievements in tennis.
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"super slam"... Did you invent that ? What is Graf doing in this list ? So she lost in YEC after achieving the calendar slam...Big deal.
According to Google, the "super slam" is winning all four grand slam titles and the year end championships, in one year. Which sounds like a legit thing to me.
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"super slam"... Did you invent that ? What is Graf doing in this list ? So she lost in YEC after achieving the calendar slam...Big deal.
No: https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-super-slam-in-tennis

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Sukova... Shriver, and then Vinci.

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The Super Slam is winning all 4 Grand Slams, Olympic Gold Medal and the Year End Championships throughout a career and Steffi won a Non Calender Year Super Slam as she won the WTA Championships in 1987 then in 1988 she won all 4 Grand Slams and the Olympic Gold Medal she won all 6 major titles just not in the same year but a Golden Calendar Grand Slam is just fabulous.

Serena shouldn't be thinking about Margaret Courts record the pressure is what she puts on herself 24 is just a number don't think about the record.
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The only two that apply here are Martina (‘84 AO) and Serena (various matches mentioned above)...and also Federer at W this year. All were unfortunate and were totally because of nerves, if ya ask me.

The Steffi at ‘88 YEC mention is ridiculous! She didn’t lose because of nerves. And no one cared given her already other worldly year. Every time she lost 1987-90 was big news, but not in the way referenced above.

I think some of the greatest failures under pressure have unfortunately been Navratilova's. The USO ‘81, all the double faults and nervous shots at the ‘87 FO, not to mention literally falling apart in the ‘88 W and ‘89 USO finals. I was always heart broken. But, nothing as bad as Federer USO ‘09. Oye vey!
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"super slam"... Did you invent that ? What is Graf doing in this list ? So she lost in YEC after achieving the calendar slam...Big deal.
I genuinely doubt Graf was under any pressure here. More like back in the day they played so much you were bound to have a bum match sometime.
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I genuinely doubt Graf was under any pressure here. More like back in the day they played so much you were bound to have a bum match sometime.
That too becomes its own pressure.


You keep winning and winning and winning... at some point it doesn't even matter what you're winning. Notice how everyone is beginning to mention that Bianca has not lost a completed match since March 1. Check the TF thread "who can beat Andreescu?" Media also mention this to the playher again and again in interviews. If she's sensitive to pressure that too will get in her head even tho it shouldn't (given that there were huge gaps of inactivity between then and now)
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22 of 54 is way better than 23 of 73. She cannot become the GOAT even if she wins, so why the pressure She is also behind in winning %, total # of titles, # of weeks at #1(total and consecutive). She should have zero pressure and enjoy her last months as a tennis player.
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Graf´s greatest pressure moments were in 1996-1999 when she was setting open era records every slam she won and she passed those tests because she was only hindered by injuries. I don´t count the golden slam in 1988 because I think she was too young to be aware of the feat she was accomplishing by that time and who could say the golden slam was so big when it was the first time women´s tennis was introduced in the olympics?, if someone was about to win a golden slam these days after so many decades nobody did it again, that would be real pressure!

Serena passed her test when she won that open era slam record in 2017 but she had her family on the other side of the court to calm those nerves, not many GOATs had that convenience

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22 of 54 is way better than 23 of 73. She cannot become the GOAT even if she wins, so why the pressure She is also behind in winning %, total # of titles, # of weeks at #1(total and consecutive). She should have zero pressure and enjoy her last months as a tennis player.
Graf retired at around the start of what is probably the WTA's strongest era heading into the early 00's. I frankly believe she retired cos she wasn't up for that fight after an intense career through the 90's. This is not something that should count in her favor. It's like ATP fans who rate Borg so highly because of his achievements in a short period before very early retirement. But Borg showed no appetite for competition when he got challenged.
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