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Re: What is hindering Serena to win more slams?

Obviously the most obvious one would be her opponents level of play in those 4 finals. They didn't let Serena settle down at all and started very well and got into an early lead.

Then, Serena's mental state in those finals not as ruthless or ice cold as it was before her pregnancy. Just too many hysterical expressions on her face and whining at her box, etc. Made worse when she realizes her opponents won't fold and gift the matches to end and then she will just overplay and go for too much.

And the absence of her serve in those 4 finals.

I think it's a combination of factors. Honestly with the way Kerber, Osaka, Halep and Andreescu played, I find it tough that Serena would have managed to beat them even if she wasn't nervous / played well herself. But she just can't find that level consistently in finals, and the new generation relishes the challenge of facing her and simply won't crumble under the pressure. So, it's up to her to improve her mentality again (who would have though I'd say that about probably the mental GOAT). Until then, #24 is probably a lost cause - unless of course she plays one of her pigeons in the final.
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Re: What is hindering Serena to win more slams?

Better ask why is she in so many finals with that form

She´s suffering from the Navratilova syndrome, she has a lot of experience, a tough winning mindset, she still has a top competitive tennis and she has a huge name supporting her, that´s enough to beat easy opponents and intimidate a couple of mental midgets, to whom she might not win otherwise, and survive until the final but the tour has evolved too and her power, her movements, her footwork isn´t enough for the toughest in the game right now.

she doesn´t have mental letdowns or anything special in finals, I followed most of her matches in the USO and she actually played better against Andreescu than in some other early rounds, but the opponents in the final are not afraid of her anymore.

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Re: What is hindering Serena to win more slams?

The answer is plain and simple...
she is a HUGE choker.

Her level of play drops off big time - in her biggest matches (GS finals) since she had her baby.

Her serve was pathetic today.
Terrible percentage of first serves in (Gag!)
Huge double faults when she needed her serve the most (Choke!)
And her ground strokes were so inconsistent (Gag!).
How many unforced errors did she have..? (Choke!)

When it matters most... she turns into a mental midget.
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Better ask why is she in so many finals with that form

She´s suffering from the Navratilova syndrome, she has a lot of experience, a tough winning mindset, she still has a top competitive tennis and she has a huge name supporting her, that´s enough to beat easy opponents and intimidate a couple of mental midgets, to whom she might not win otherwise, and survive until the final but the tour has evolved too and her power, her movements, her footwork isn´t enough for the toughest in the game right now.

she doesn´t have mental letdowns or anything special in finals, I followed most of her matches in the USO and she actually played better against Andreescu than in some other early rounds, but the opponents in the final are not afraid of her anymore.
That explains new names like Osaka and Bianca but what about Halep who was 1-9 against Serena and Kerber who Serena beat in 2016 at Wimbledon?
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That explains new names like Osaka and Bianca but what about Halep who was 1-9 against Serena and Kerber who Serena beat in 2016 at Wimbledon?
Serena is obviously not at her peak anymore and in both of those Wimbledon, she didn´t play any prep tournaments.
However she also had terrible chokes when she was physically at her peak, Henin, Stosur etc. come to my mind, it´s not unexpected that she would win those slams when she can´t even rely on her own confidence to win a title.
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Meghan Markle attended Serena's Wimby final and Serena lost.
This time Meghan also attended Serena's USO final and... Serena lost.

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Serena is obviously not at her peak anymore and in both of those Wimbledon, she didn´t play any prep tournaments.
However she also had terrible chokes when she was physically at her peak, Henin, Stosur etc. come to my mind, it´s not unexpected that she would win those slams when she can´t even rely on her own confidence to win a title.
Of course she's not at her physical peak anymore but tbh I really don't believe that's the reason she keep blowing the slams. A large part of the reason is that her opponents are now playing with much more confidence and that confidence comes because they can see Serena's nervous and frustrated so that gives them the confidence to go out and play their very best tennis.
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Re: What is hindering Serena to win more slams?

Lack of genuine belief do to a myriad of factors, such as declining lateral movement.
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Well, we know Serena is already a legend. She has been quite consistent still reaching at least later stages of the major tournaments she's joined. But then somehow she keeps faltering at the final stages? What is actually the biggest challenge for her to reach 24 and beyond?
1.) Her peak playing level has somewhat reduced from the earlier >> +3.00 AM/game to around +2.50 AM/game. (This, in itself is more than enough to win a slam.) The reduction is mainly the consequence of her changed body, because it affects her timing and accuracy.

2.) The physical capability of her body has also reduced (age-related). Now it seems that while she can play 5-6 HQ matches in two weeks time, 7 HQ matches is on the borderline to be too much.

3.) There are always coming new names (new dangerous players) on the tour (Osaka, Kenin, Andreescu, etc.). They can be handled with the right strategy, but figuring out the right strategy is a time consuming process, and Serena doesn't have too much of it. She needs better coaching in this respect.

4.) Lately she can be too nervous, tensed on the court, and run out of time before she could actually get into the match. Her warming up process (right before the match) should be adjusted.

5.) According to the statistical numbers she still has VERY GOOD chance to win more than 1 major per year, PROVIDED she makes the needed adjustments.

6.) Against Andreescu she played with the WRONG strategy right from the beginning. When she was coming back in the 2nd set, she ALMOST captured the right kind of tennis. (If I remember well, she lost 2 matches to Sharapova, before she understood what kind oh tennis can be effective against her...)

7.) Style and mentality wise I put Andreescu into the same group with Seles and Sharapova, therefore I expected that Serena would find the proper tennis already in the 1st set. It looked to me that Serena got BAD ADVICE before the match, suggesting that her best chance is to play the sharpest 1st striker tennis. (Very far from the truth.)
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Now it’s all mental, look at how she played the semifinal vs the final both here and Wimbledon

I really want SW24 but it’s now harder and harder it she doesn’t do it at AO20 I don’t see how she can do it!

But this is Serena fucking Williams and we should not count her out just yet!
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Now it’s all mental, look at how she played the semifinal vs the final both here and Wimbledon

I really want SW24 but it’s now harder and harder it she doesn’t do it at AO20 I don’t see how she can do it!

But this is Serena fucking Williams and we should not count her out just yet!
( She should ask an expert how to win a GS after losing several major finals in a row...)
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Re: What is hindering Serena to win more slams?

More factors but mostly mental imo. There's too much pressure on her in these finals. Meghan Markle came to NYC for this and Anna Wintour was in her box too.She always started shaky and when her opponets back it up she drops her head and calls it a day.
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Her serve was all over the place also last night and that affected her whole game
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Re: What is hindering Serena to win more slams?

You lose your nerve a bit when you’re older and getting closer to the end of ur career. You know the opportunities are getting less and less and the pressure gets greater. Add to the the records that are right within her reach.
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