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Arrow Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

Only 3 players, Haddad, Cepede , Ormaechea in the top 200.

Muguruza switched nationality.

I expected a country like Argentina to produce better female players?

Where is the next Gabriela Sabatini?

Compare this to the ATP... Del Potro 12, Pella 24, Schwartzman 25, Mayer 51, Londero 56, Del Bonis 67. Garin 37, Jarry 38 Cuevas 47 Dellien 87 Monteiro 91 In doubles: Cabal-Farah: 1st Melo (C / Kubot) 3rd Zeballos-Gonzalez 13

What seems to be the problem?
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Re: Why aren't there any top South American WTA Players In The Top 200?

So there are some, but just not 'many'?

I guess a large reason for that is the lack of WTA and ITF events. There's just really Bogota, and the ITF scene isn't exactly thriving. If there were more tournaments then a lot more would have their ranking inflated which would then make it more likely for a few with actual talent and potential to burst through.
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I was thinking about the same today seeing last week results on ATP.

One thing is probably the culture, different than in Europe, US, Australia and Eastern Asia where more women are training sports.
Second is that those countries prefer team sports, and the third tennis is costly, so it's easier for men who earns more to train it.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

The WTA reduced its South American footprint in recent years.

Steve Simon dismantled Stacey Allaster's push to expand the sport globally via slots on the calendar, which led to there once being up to 3 tournaments in South America not so long ago.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

https://www.itftennis.com/procircuit...9&prizeMoney=0

Just shift the settings to other regions or individual countries and you'll see why there are so few players. If Chile had 15-20 W25+ events then you'd see a lot more Chileans in and around the top 200, and if there was no event there that week, they could easily get to a neighbouring country and play there for a few weeks. There are literally 6 W25+ events on the whole of South America which is the biggest problem.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

We need a new Sabatini or at least Dulko or Paola Suarez
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

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Only 3 players, Haddad, Cepede , Ormaechea in the top 200.

Muguruza switched nationality.

I expected a country like Argentina to produce better female players?

Where is the next Gabriela Sabatini?

Compare this to the ATP... Del Potro 12, Pella 24, Schwartzman 25, Mayer 51, Londero 56, Del Bonis 67. Garin 37, Jarry 38 Cuevas 47 Dellien 87 Monteiro 91 In doubles: Cabal-Farah: 1st Melo (C / Kubot) 3rd Zeballos-Gonzalez 13

What seems to be the problem?
You answered your own question... they know they can't compete with the great Gabby, so why bother.


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Muguruza never competed professionally for Venezuela so she never technically switched. She moved to Spain when she was little. Dad is Spanish national.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

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Muguruza never competed professionally for Venezuela so she never technically switched. She moved to Spain when she was little. Dad is Spanish national.
Are you sure? I remember seeing the Venezuelan flag for a short while on scoreboards, maybe I'm mistaken.

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Muguruza never competed professionally for Venezuela so she never technically switched. She moved to Spain when she was little. Dad is Spanish national.
Are you sure? I remember seeing the Venezuelan flag for a short while on scoreboards, maybe I'm mistaken.
Nope. She is a dual citizen of Venezuela and Spain but she never competed for Venezuela.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

Maybe they should move to Mexico to compete as part of Latin America. Must be expensive, living in Cancun competing in 15k, or there is always Egypt.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

I'm watching 17 year old María Camila Osorio Serrano from Colombia. I saw her earlier this year during the Golden Swing and I think she has a future if her career is managed correctly.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

It’s a very good question. In the run up to the Olympics in Rio there was a slight increase in the number of WTA level tournaments across South America (or rather Brazil & Bogota!). But the homegrown players were not really delivering, except maybe T. Pereira at international level. After Olympics 2012 the tournaments faded quickly, as did Pereira.

I believe Haddad Maia will eventually get back inside top 100 but agree the tour would benefit from a new Sabatini. I don't know of any up and coming young South American player in the pipeline who is being touted as future top 10?

It’s sad to see Bogota as the only South American country to host a WTA level event. Credit to the tournament in maintaining its status following the retirements of Zuluaga, Castano and Duque-Marino. It’s become one of the longest standing events on the calendar following recent losses of Sydney, Quebec City etc.
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

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It’s sad to see Bogota as the only South American country to host a WTA level event.
I think this is where working more closely with the ATP could be helpful.

There are a few clay ATP events in south America during the spring; maybe building out one of them as joined tournament could be a good first step. I've actually recommended this before (to no one obviously, just TF), but the problem is that those events are staged at the same time as the swing in the Middle East, which the WTA is obviously not giving up on any time soon.

Anyhow, over all, investing in Latin America should be prioritized. It's underutilized, but I think there's an opportunity! Bogota is also so lively despite it being one of the poorest MM in terms of who shows up now that Empress isn't going anymore. Monterrey and Acapulco have always been fun, with incredible crowd support. Why isn't the WTA taking advantage!?
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Re: Why isn't South America Producing Really Good Female Players Anymore?

See this post from ex-top 100 Argentinian player now coach, Mariana Diaz Oliva - all resources in Argentina seem to be diverted to men's tennis, the women get next to nothing. 21 $15k events for men, none for women....

https://www.tennisforum.com/12-gener...vrljic-16.html
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