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Halep now greater than Pierce and Mauresmo?

I think after Wimbledon, there´s little doubt Halep is greater than the two french tennis icons.

The three have same slam wins but Halep was more weaks nr 1 against Amelie and Pierce was never #1 anyway.

Halep has a few less titles than Mauresmau including olympic silver and one WTA final but I´m sure Halep will correct this the next years.
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Re: Halep now greater than Pierce and Mauresmau?

For sure! Mauresmo won a major without winning a complete match after a QF with Schnyder
Pierce was a basher but never a #1
Halep is a 2 year #1 and 2 time slam winner in 5 slam finals and won mandatories and P5s
Not even close now, and she isnt finished at age 27

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Peak Pierce would crush her 6-0 6-0
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Re: Halep now greater than Pierce and Mauresmau?

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Peak Pierce would crush her 6-0 6-0
No, she won't. Mary was a very good player and hall of famer, but literally all stats are in Halep's favour. (no of titles, career high etc.)
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No, she won't. Mary was a very good player and hall of famer, but literally all stats are in Halep's favour. (no of titles, career high etc.)
stats don't mean much when one player's achievements all occur in a piss weak era.
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For sure! Mauresmo won a major without winning a complete match after a QF with Schnyder
the fact that Henin had poor sportsmanship throughout her career does not diminish Mauresmo's win. Plus she dismissed her at Wimbledon anyway.

Halep's road to glory was not much more impressive anyway. Svitolina was the highest seed she faced. QF versus Zhang. she played a great Wimbledon final against an out of shape player who has entered a handful of tournaments all year.
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Re: Halep now greater than Pierce and Mauresmau?

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For sure! Mauresmo won a major without winning a complete match after a QF with Schnyder
Pierce was a basher but never a #1
Halep is a 2 year #1 and 2 time slam winner in 5 slam finals and won mandatories and P5s
Not even close now, and she isnt finished at age 27
Not Amelie's fault that Henin has always been a crybaby, a sore loser, and a cheater.

At least when Simona was getting her ass handed to her and was playing terribly in the Cincy final against Garbine she actually FINISHED the match...much more than Henin was ever able to do.

Anyway, I'd agree that Simona is now greater than Pierce and Mauresmo. As much as I love Mary, not getting the No. 1 ranking makes her worse. As for Amelie, I'd say she's slightly worse. Yes, she was No. 1, but she didn't hold it as long, and even though she made a ton of semis and quarters, she only made it to one other slam final outside of '06.

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Why are you opening this kind oh threads?!? (There is not enough nonsense fighting in TF GM? For any meaningful comparison FIRST we have to agree on the basis of the comparison, but this is NOT fulfilled in TF GM.)
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Why are you opening this kind oh threads?!? (There is not enough nonsense fighting in TF GM? For any meaningful comparison FIRST we have to agree on the basis of the comparison, but this is NOT fulfilled in TF GM.)
This has been always the same: slams, weeks #1, wta finals, olympic, overall titles, etc. Orders may vary depending on quantity, competition etc. If a definite basis of comparison was agreed in TF there woud be no need to ask this

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Re: Halep now greater than Pierce and Mauresmo?

It's already useless to compare players careers of different eras when they're finished, so comparing unfinished careers to finished careers of different eras, is even more useless

In my opinion Halep will win another slam so...

not that I see her winning the USO, but another one of the three others (to the least!)
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This has been always the same: slams, weeks #1, wta finals, olympic, overall titles, etc. Orders may vary depending on quantity, competition etc. If a definite basis of comparison was agreed in TF there woud be no need to ask this
The problem is this:
Although the past BIG champions were the FIRST PROFESSIONALS playing against the WTA field that was very well equipped with half-professionals, still many-many forumers think that those were the BIG YEARS and the "STRONG ERA", and even though nowadays there are more professionals (who are generally taller, stronger, and faster - proven by actual measurements), because of the less dominance by the top player(s), they claim nowadays is a "WEAK ERA", automatically devaluating anything and everyone contemporary.
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Re: Halep now greater than Pierce and Mauresmo?

Why is everyone acting like Halep is the second coming of Jesus for dismissing a geriatric Serena? She still isn't half the player that either Pierce or Mauresmo were.

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No, she won't. Mary was a very good player and hall of famer, but literally all stats are in Halep's favour. (no of titles, career high etc.)
Pierce's career is questionable. She's one overrated player. I remember her very well, watched her playing even at the 2000 French Open and I was not impressed at all. I even remember the Arantxa Sanchez Vicario-Conchita Martinez SF. Arantxa was very bad and old. Conchita was playing simply just a regular tennis of today, nothing more. I even remember her matches against Sugiyama and Black, she was struggling as fuck, not wondering at all that Pierce won that final. 2000 was one of the poorest edition of Roland Garros ever. With Davenport and Capriat losing in R1, and Seles close to retirement.

Which is PEAK Pierce? 1995 maybe? One tournaments? Or two tournaments? How many? Carees means one year of good form?

Pierce only won the Italian Open outside the Slams and that's all. Kind of Kerber today. I remember her being humiliated by Hingis and Davenport, not just by Graf. She was losing to Majoli and Spirlea and you tell all of us how good was she. So which was peak Pierce after all? 1 month?

The 2 Belgians, Kim and Justine, were serving her straight sets by no reaching 3. I also remember that, but that was later (but also, hey, she was playing Slam finals then), also when Mauresmo started to be a dangerous player.

So how can be 1995, 2000 and 2005 versions of Pierce so different? The logic is just that she only had 1 month of PEAK form. Just admit it!
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Why is everyone acting like Halep is the second coming of Jesus for dismissing a geriatric Serena? She still isn't half the player that either Pierce or Mauresmo were.
No way, I think Pierce had a better career than Mauresmo but she was also not playing consistent for all the years. But peak Mauresmo was a very dangerous player, because women simply dislike serve and volley type of play. What can I say, is that I really followed the career of Mauresmo and she was struggling on the court a lot of her career same as Nadia Petrova.

Today or tomorrow you will say Mauresmo was as good as Hingis. I changed my opinion now and I definitely think Halep is already better than Kim Clijsters because she's stronger physically and it's visible at running and defence. But no way better than Henin. And as record Henin is over Hingis but Martina gave up earlier. I also believe Hingis was quite well over Henin. And that Henin wasn't that good and really far from Halep but achieved a lot - maybe in a weaker era or some years.

Btw, I still remember that 2000 final at Roland Garros, what a bad final it was... Conchita most overrated player outside grass didn't do anything to bother Pierce! Just giving the shots exactly to her forehand. Pierce played in the era of Conchita, Coetze, Majoli and Spirlea. And Davenport. Lindsey somebody was giving up.
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