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I wouldn't out someone so publicly. It is their livelihood after all. Probably best for us to go and fill out their shitty web forms to voice our complaints
https://www.wtatennis.com/content/wt...ct-information
Though I respect your feedback, there may be an inherent flaw with your proposal: If we use the website to lodge complaints ABOUT the website, won't the site manager simply bury the complaints and feed his supervisors some BS like, "95% of fans say they LOVE the new site format and are very content with it!"?

I feel like we need to go over his head, but I get a very arrogant vibe from the WTA bosses, so that might mean that we have to annoy them to the point where they're tired of getting complaints about the site. If it's any consolation to you, I'm NOT talking about cruelty like having fans throw rocks at the exec's house or puncturing his/her car tires. Still, I sense that WTA big shots are almost totally insulated from this and never have to face any flak for their horseshit-level fan outreach, so that's how lots and lots of critical tweets/emails/phone calls could change that equation.

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It has nothing to do with respect towards players. WTA site and organization as a whole is just copying the rules and ideas of ATP, to the extent it cares. There's very little creativity going on here. Allowing on-court couching is the only different idea that comes in mind.
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The best thing is never to visit the site. There is no information there you can't get anywhere else. (LIVE Ranking, H2H, Tournament draws ... )
At least that's what I have done the past 2 years.
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The ITF website is better in a lot of ways. I usually use it and flashscore to research for games on here.
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The best thing is never to visit the site.
At least that's what I have done the past 2 years.
Your approach is very logical. My personal stance is, If we can find a fairly simple, direct way to influence/persuade(even badger) the WTA into making a better effort then why not try it?

We, the fans, deserve it since pretty much every other sports league's site is a NON-clusterfuck(that is, the opposite of the WTA's); the players deserve a WAYYYY better site to represent their training and on-court commitment; and, finally, it's healthier for the sport itself. A sport only grows a lot by bringing in casual fans who hadn't ardently followed it before. When such individuals visit the WTA site for the first time, they're reaction is going to be, "WTF is going on with this redneck, mom-and-pop, shit-for-brains outfit....and why should I waste my time with these assclowns!"

This is why I speculate that the WTA brass is insulated from all of this and don't realize just how atrocious the site is. The other possibilities are: They're extremely stupid OR they're raking in loads of black-market income behind close doors and, thus, they don't care much about the on-court product
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How does the WTA handle streaming in the US? Can I get all the matches from Slams and the regular tour with Tennis Channel Plus even if there is a delay for the stuff on Tennis Channel? I feel like streaming is by far the biggest fail of the WTA online presence.
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lol, Tennis Channel? I call it obsolete tennis channel. I dropped it from my cable package because it was too frustrating. Not only they show few women's tournaments, but they love to show century old matches, while we have LIVE tournaments going on.
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Some 6-8 years ago the WTA website was not inferior to the ATP's, by any means. Now it reminds of some gloomy joke. I can hardly find another example of a web service that would be so unserviceable. And I can't imagine the reasons for this disastrous decline.
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The WTA website is truly amateur.

Can’t find anything, and the articles feel like give are written by hack bloggers pretending to be journalists.

Horrible everything.
I have news for you, journalists these days are hack bloggers
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I wouldn't out someone so publicly. It is their livelihood after all. Probably best for us to go and fill out their shitty web forms to voice our complaints
https://www.wtatennis.com/content/wt...ct-information
This is not a personal but a corporate management issue. And that is normally (in a non-criminal organization) public: >>> https://www.wtatennis.com/management-team

As you can see the Corporate communications duties are the responsibility of Amy Binder. But she is the new PR boss (since 2018). The WTA website in current form is a bit older than that.

Going back to the topic. The reason why this mess exists is lack of diversity. Someone earlier mentioned that Coco Gauff's photo was added last minute but not Muchova's. Well how the effin shit do we know that anyone at WTA's management level even knows who Muchova is? Half the tour are Eastern Europe, yet how many in the management are from (for example) the Czech republic? Big fat zero.



That silly "form" you mentioned to voice complaints will likely not help someone like Muchova who no body at WTA may have ever heard of. They'll just tell her the official procedure to wait until next year's (Indian Wells or whatever) photo session, just like every other player. WTA only respects power moves, which is what Coco Gauff did -- it's safe to say she didn't upload her photos in the middle of a tournament via that form. So if Muchova's team want her pictures in before next year's Indian Wells, they'd better call their friend Nick Bolletieri someone else who can pull strings.
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This is not a personal but a corporate management issue. And that is normally (in a non-criminal organization) public: >>> https://www.wtatennis.com/management-team

As you can see the Corporate communications duties are the responsibility of Amy Binder. But she is the new PR boss (since 2018). The WTA website in current form is a bit older than that.

Going back to the topic. The reason why this mess exists is lack of diversity. Someone earlier mentioned that Coco Gauff's photo was added last minute but not Muchova's. Well how the effin shit do we know that anyone at WTA's management level even knows who Muchova is? Half the tour are Eastern Europe, yet how many in the management are from (for example) the Czech republic? Big fat zero.



That silly "form" you mentioned to voice complaints will likely not help someone like Muchova who no body at WTA may have ever heard of. They'll just tell her the official procedure to wait until next year's (Indian Wells or whatever) photo session, just like every other player. WTA only respects power moves, which is what Coco Gauff did -- it's safe to say she didn't upload her photos in the middle of a tournament via that form. So if Muchova's team want her pictures in before next year's Indian Wells, they'd better call their friend Nick Bolletieri someone else who can pull strings.
I don't see any problem with going through the normal channels before escalating the issue. The mess may be exacerbated by the lack of diversity but underlying it all is the lack of competence. I wouldn't be surprised if the people in management have no clue who the rising stars are, and it might help to explain why they've done such a shoddy job of promoting them.

Either way, people at operational level will be the ones maintaining and implementing changes so it'll be interesting to get their response. I've just entered the tenth circle of hell and filled out the form. I fully expect a lacklustre reply that evades my questions and if/when that happens, I'd be all for taking it to social media.
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I don't see any problem with going through the normal channels before escalating the issue. The mess may be exacerbated by the lack of diversity but underlying it all is the lack of competence. I wouldn't be surprised if the people in management have no clue who the rising stars are, and it might help to explain why they've done such a shoddy job of promoting them.

Either way, people at operational level will be the ones maintaining and implementing changes so it'll be interesting to get their response. I've just entered the tenth circle of hell and filled out the form. I fully expect a lacklustre reply that evades my questions and if/when that happens, I'd be all for taking it to social media.
I suggest Muchova skip normal channels and make a power move.

That's how Coco Gauff's profile is no longer empty as it was just days ago:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190711...tle/Cori-Gauff
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I suggest Muchova skip normal channels and make a power move.

That's how Coco Gauff's profile is no longer empty as it was just days ago:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190711...tle/Cori-Gauff
She could and probably should do that - as should other top 100 players who are also missing a profile pic: Zidansek, Sharma, Teichmann. A bunch of players have pics that look different from the photo shoot style (eg Golubic) so there's no reason why they can't put a placeholder photo for the players above.

But it is just one symptom of the bigger clusterfuck of a problem that is the WTA website I'd rather they provide content with actual substance and improve the functionality.
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This is not a personal but a corporate management issue. And that is normally (in a non-criminal organization) public: >>> https://www.wtatennis.com/management-team

As you can see the Corporate communications duties are the responsibility of Amy Binder. But she is the new PR boss (since 2018). The WTA website in current form is a bit older than that.

Going back to the topic. The reason why this mess exists is lack of diversity. Someone earlier mentioned that Coco Gauff's photo was added last minute but not Muchova's. Well how the effin shit do we know that anyone at WTA's management level even knows who Muchova is? Half the tour are Eastern Europe, yet how many in the management are from (for example) the Czech republic? Big fat zero.



That silly "form" you mentioned to voice complaints will likely not help someone like Muchova who no body at WTA may have ever heard of. They'll just tell her the official procedure to wait until next year's (Indian Wells or whatever) photo session, just like every other player. WTA only respects power moves, which is what Coco Gauff did -- it's safe to say she didn't upload her photos in the middle of a tournament via that form. So if Muchova's team want her pictures in before next year's Indian Wells, they'd better call their friend Nick Bolletieri someone else who can pull strings.
Thank you for the support and information. Will attempt to contact Amy Binder or, at least, her administrative asst. Would like to share the link to this thread with her so she can see that there is complete 100% unanimity(which is VERY rare) ,among fans from all over the world, that the WTA site is not 'bad' but rather an atrocious joke. I suspect that the WTA higher-ups aren't aware of this because the site manager simply deletes virtually any complaint letter that exposes what an incompetent, goat-manure-level job he's doing
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Why not simply design a system where the player uploads her own picture, the same way we add avatars to our accounts here?
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