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womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

What does it say?

Djokovic just won 13-12 in a 5th set tie break
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Re: womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

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What does it say?

Djokovic just won 13-12 in a 5th set tie break
men= pros
women = amateurs

atp and wta are different sports
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We are blessed to be seeing Federer/Djokovic/Nadal/Murray in one generation of men's tennis. Amazing

Wozniacki YNWA * Naomi Osaka * Zhang Shuai * Hsieh Su-wei * Chan/Hlavackova *
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It shows Serena should retire...
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Re: womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

Had the men been bo3 then it wouldn’t have gone 5 hours.

That’s like saying an f1 car beat a touring car in a race and that that is a big deal.
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Re: womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

Men record at the marathon / close to 2h00
Women record at the marathon / 15 minutes more
In an event lasting 5 hours the difference would be much greater.
If women were to play a best of 5 at Slams, the win would often be because of a RET. If not the level of play would drastically suffer in the end.
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Serena gets the same silverware and prize money as Roger. Smart girl.
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Re: womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

I think both finals delivered in different ways.

The men's might've been a dramatic match, but the quality was lacking for large parts of the match from both. Fed the better player, but also playing like a mental midget. Nole in mediocre form in this final for his standards, won it on mental strength alone. As someone who didn't have a dog in this fight, I am left with a sour taste at how it ended.

The women's final featured someone who played her best tennis and impressed everyone. Despite the short match I think impartial viewers were left satisfied to see someone playing at such a high level.
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Re: womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

It's only 6 months since the Woman's Grand Slam Final was longer than the Mens.

Classic Finals don't happen all the time.In fact most finals aren't Having these three guys about just increases the odds.Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Re: womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

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What does it say?

Djokovic just won 13-12 in a 5th set tie break

It says the women got paid much more than the men in 2019!

Simona Halep: 2.35M $BP in 56 minutes = 2.518M $BP hourly rate

Novak Djokovic: 2.35M $BP in 4:55 = 0.478M $BP / hour

But Djokovic pushing his way to the championship, deserves a much lesser rate!
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^^ @Haleptard — The men’s match was very high quality by both players, especially Roger, who played one of his best matches tennis-wise in the last decade. I have never seen him use his slice as patiently and cleverly as in this match, or seen him anticipate and cover Novak’s backhand CC this well from the net. Even the way he defended his good-but-no-longer great movement was wonderful to watch. Unfortunately he crumbled mentally in the key moments. You have to give it to Novak for taking his chances and staying solid/clutch in spite of being outplayed.

Simona played one of her best matches but let’s face it, it is easier to do that when your opponent isn’t putting pressure on you. Simona is the best mover on tour — unlike Roger she wasn’t playing the best mover on tour. Serena was dire and moved like a large elephant.
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Re: womens final = 55 minutes, men's final = 5h EPIC match

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What does it say?

Djokovic just won 13-12 in a 5th set tie break
Relativistic time dilation - nothing special.
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Well, what is it supposed to say? I'm not denying that the WTA is struggling right now with bad play in the latter stages of big tournaments but it's pretty pointless to draw conclusions from one edition or even one year or three years.

How likely is it that both the WTA and the ATP final have the exact same outcome? It's very much possible that one final overshadows the other, sometimes both are good, sometimes both are dull. Noone has an impact on this. ATP obviously has the situation with many all-time GOATs playing at the same time which makes epic classics more likely but even then they are not guaranteed.

But stuff like Equal Pay (or whatever is always coming up when there's such a difference between the women's and the men's final) is obviously a long-term installment. Maybe at the US Open it's the exact opposite. I know people are always coming up with the prize money argument but I just disagree with only time on court counting for that. In my eyes, it's more of an acknowledgement of how much effort and dedication you have to put into a tennis career, how many hours you spend on the practice courts, how many sacrifices you have to make which is obviously regardless of gender.

ATP will always have the "advantage" of having a Bo5-match which just guarantees more match play and there's always the opportunity for an epic match. So maybe this can be considered for the ladies' final. But do we really want that? I have a hard time seeing the quality drastically improving by such a move. And to be honest, while I massively enjoyed that epic ending between Federer and Djokovic and was on the edge of my seat, I did not tune in for the first 3,5-4 hours. I was checking the score so I could watch the final set but I did not want to spend my entire Sunday afternoon following one match.

Visitors obviously think different about that, spending a lot of money to get tickets. However, I think the final weekend is still nicely covered with doubles, mixed, legends, juniors etc finals.
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The men’s final featured 2 GOAT’s,both playing AMAZING tennis.
In the women’s final,we had a Halep peaking against a Serena that couldn’t do much about it 🤷
There were many GS’s in the past with a better women’s final.
It says nothing
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Equal pay lol.
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