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Serena doesn't even play 10 events per season these days? And she wasn't playing like 20 events per season in like 10 years? Yeah, she can enter more events, win a match or two and then "retire" with some fake injury but will it change anything? Father Time beats everyone and she's not Tom Brady. She can adopt some vegan shit diet or whatever but more importantly she's lost the fear factor and that's the biggest obstacle which she cannot control. Tom Brady still has it, he moves defenses with his eyes all the time. I don't think the current crop of players is scared to play Serena anymore. She's won a ton of matches on reputation alone before the first ball was struck but that is gone.

As long the bolded doesn't include Sharapova, lol! I will criticize my fave for whatever flaws in her game, that is not to say her situation is bad to a point she will or is ready to lose to a player like your fave. Not happening! Ask Azarenka what happened recently in their last match despite not having played each other in a long time. Never get it twisted mate; Serena will always bring it and will down Sharapova handily any day.
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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

At nearly 38 years of age, ridiculously overweight, severe mental issues in big matches now and an ever-growing list of players who are beating her, is there anything left for Serena? Things are only going to get worse from here, a bit like Steve Davis in snooker. She should call it a day and hang on to some pride.
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Serena doesn't even play 10 events per season these days? And she wasn't playing like 20 events per season in like 10 years? Yeah, she can enter more events, win a match or two and then "retire" with some fake injury but will it change anything? Father Time beats everyone and she's not Tom Brady. She can adopt some vegan shit diet or whatever but more importantly she's lost the fear factor and that's the biggest obstacle which she cannot control. Tom Brady still has it, he moves defenses with his eyes all the time. I don't think the current crop of players is scared to play Serena anymore. She's won a ton of matches on reputation alone before the first ball was struck but that is gone.
For an athlete Serena's age to continue winning regularly the fear factor is an absolute must, once that'gone it's over and Serena's definately lost the fear factor.
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I don't think the current crop of players is scared to play Serena anymore. She's won a ton of matches on reputation alone before the first ball was struck but that is gone.

I'm not sure you're right about that because Serena still won 3 matches at this very Wimby (Goerges, CSN, Strycova) on reputation - all 3 of them are solid veterans who on paper should have been able to compete with her, but rolled over very early. And it's 4 if you count Alison, who seemed to falter a bit at the times when it looked like she might be able to move firmly ahead in the match.

The thing about SJW is that despite having given birth and being pretty heavy, she is still incredibly fast moving side-to-side with her first 3 to 4 steps. Where she has a lot more trouble is moving up-and-back, and that's what really cost her today. Credit to Simona because she had a 1-9 head-to-head going into this match, and the 1 win she did have over Serena was basically an exho. If Simona had played just a bit worse today, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

This loss is really gonna hurt but that could be a good thing for Serena to fire her up.

I so want her to get to 25 so we don’t have to talk about Court anyone... but it seams unlikely now. But never count out Serena Fucking Williams.

The US Open is next tho and there is gonna be added drama and pressure there after last year so
I don’t know if that will help or hinder Serena.

I hope she’s healthy enough to try and play a few events before USO not just for match play but to try and get rid of some of the hype drama etc from last year final!

If she doesn’t win there it’s gonna be tougher in 2020.

Maybe she also should get rid of Patrick and try someone new on her team. New energy.
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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

I kind of feel this was her last big chance for 24. It won't get any easier.

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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

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As long the bolded doesn't include Sharapova, lol! I will criticize my fave for whatever flaws in her game, that is not to say her situation is bad to a point she will or is ready to lose to a player like your fave. Not happening! Ask Azarenka what happened recently in their last match despite not having played each other in a long time. Never get it twisted mate; Serena will always bring it and will down Sharapova handily any day.
Here's the problem, Sharapova & Azarenka aren't making any GS finals ever again Getting to #24 will require beating someone else than her favorite pigeons

It's really down to the fear factor, Tom Brady still has it, Serena simply doesn't

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I'm not sure you're right about that because Serena still won 3 matches at this very Wimby (Goerges, CSN, Strycova) on reputation - all 3 of them are solid veterans who on paper should have been able to compete with her, but rolled over very early. And it's 4 if you count Alison, who seemed to falter a bit at the times when it looked like she might be able to move firmly ahead in the match.

The thing about SJW is that despite having given birth and being pretty heavy, she is still incredibly fast moving side-to-side with her first 3 to 4 steps. Where she has a lot more trouble is moving up-and-back, and that's what really cost her today. Credit to Simona because she had a 1-9 head-to-head going into this match, and the 1 win she did have over Serena was basically an exho. If Simona had played just a bit worse today, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Ifs and buts. On paper Halep was a much easier opponent that Kerber & Osaka. And it turned into even a bigger rout. Given how high the bar is set for Serena, calling Strycova of all people "a solid veteran" is a joke She's a scrub to every single WS fan out there.

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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

See a sports psychologist.

Improve her fitness and movement.

Play a couple more tournaments to be match tough again and face the top players more frequently to not get shocked by their forms in slams.

Pray that Maria Sharapova is on the other side of her draw and be able to get to the final.
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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

Off topic, but I kinda miss the Serena of 2012 and 2013 compared to now. I know she is 37 now and is a mom, but at that time, after coming back from dead, she was truly a full time tennis player. She played every tournament to win it and dedicated a lot. She treasured tennis much more after being back in 2011 and really enjoyed out there, no matter what tournament it is.
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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

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Off topic, but I kinda miss the Serena of 2012 and 2013 compared to now. I know she is 37 now and is a mom, but at that time, after coming back from dead, she was truly a full time tennis player. She played every tournament to win it and dedicated a lot. She treasured tennis much more after being back in 2011 and really enjoyed out there, no matter what tournament it is.
Yeah well Serena is a 37 y/o mother now. Things change. Roll with them.
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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

She had so much time to evaluate what she has to do to stay calm. This was as surprising as last years final. I thought she would at least compete a little bit. She might just be too past her prime. Probably needs a psychiatrist

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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

Source: https://www.wtatennis.com/news/seren...-her-heart-out
Serena Williams was effusive in her praise of Simona Halep following a 6-2, 6-2 defeat in the Wimbledon final.

"She just played great. So I don't think it's a surprise for anyone to play great against me," Williams said after the 56-minute match, which was her first loss to Halep in five years.

"I just was trying different things. Today nothing really helped, but I also made way too many errors for a lot of stuff to work.

"I think she was getting so many balls back. I do have a strategy for players that do get a lot of balls back, which I thought about far too late. I think I was overhitting it, trying to go for too much. She was getting just a tremendous amount of balls back.

"I just have to figure out a way to win a final. Maybe it is playing other finals outside of Grand Slams would be really helpful just to kind of get in the groove so by the time I get to a Grand Slam final I'm kind of used to what to do and how to play."
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Re: 24: what does Serena need to do?

The cakewalk draws are actually hindering her IMO, if she can win by playing on 20%, she won't be ready for a quality opponent.
Serena plays the best when she can grow her level from round to round, when she is tested.

Don't get me wrong, Riske is a good grass player, but Serena didn't have to worry too much about winning that match...

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She needs easy draw

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