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WTA Players & Swingweights (Racket Set-Up)

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I'm really into racket customization and I feel like one thing that is interesting is comparing Pro player set-ups and their gamestyles. Swingweight is the most important spec of a racket so I thought i'd mention some players and their swingweights here.

Swingweight is the resistance to movement in a circle. Circular motion (as in most stages of a tennis swing) occurs around a center or rotation, let's say the butt end of the handle. When you apply equal forces to the handles of two racquets with different swingweights, the racquet with the higher swingweight will accelerate less and rotate less quickly around the center of the circle. The lower swingweight racquet will accelerate more quickly. In other words, higher swingweight means less maneuverability, and lower swingweight means more.

But the ball applies a force to the racquet also. And the same principle applies. The lower the swingweight, the more easily the the ball will move the racquet, and the higher the swingweight, the less easily the ball will change the motion of the racquet.

So the tradeoff becomes this: lower swingweight results in greater racquet acceleration and final swing speed, but more shock (due both to more racquet deceleration by the ball and higher impact force due to greater speed). Higher swingweight results in slower racquet acceleration and final swing speed but less shock due to less deceleration due to the ball pushing the racquet in an opposite circular rotation.

Power is influenced also. With a lower swingweight, the power must be generated more from swing speed. With a higher swingweight, more of the power comes from the racquet itself.

The beauty of customization is that you can easily experiment and find the best tradeoff for your style of play.


High (350+)
S. Williams
V. Williams
Henin
Stephens
Clijsters
Cibulkova
Pierce
Davenport
Azarenka
Muguruza
Ostapenko
Vaidisova
Cibulkova

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Giorgi
Kvitova
Pliskova
Sharapova
Osaka
Halep
Hingis
Ivanovic
Kuznetsova
Wozniacki
Barty
Stosur
Georges
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Shelby Rogers (333)

Low (330 or lower)
Mauresmo
Radwanska
Schiavone
Hsieh
Suarez Navarro
Vinci
T. Maria
Putintseva

Most rackets off the shelf will be in the LOW category anywhere from 300-325 (300 for beginner frames, 320-325 for juniors/college players) and you must apply lead tape in order to get them into medium and high territory.

As you can see, most power players/baseliners will use high swingweight, and high swingweight doesn't mean heavy racket in terms of ounces/grams. You can have a 10 oz racket with a high swingweight.

My personal opinion it is better to play with as high of a swingweight as you can without tiring out as you get easier power/depth/control at the loss of maneuverability otherwise you are at a disadvantage playing someone with a higher SW. It also depends on your game too, if you are a more all court player you want to go as high as you can without sacrificing your net play/touch shots.

For example if you ever watch Serena vs Radwanska, Serena makes Radwanska look like a junior due to her lack of swingweight. Radwanska just cannot trouble Serena with such a low swingweight and her only option is to hit trick shots/junk balls.

Where as if you watch Serena vs Henin, Henin is able to match Serena's power for the most part, now of course Serena has much more mass on her body and is taller overall but because they are close in swingweight Henin is able to compete with Serena.

One way you can tell if someone has a high SW is normally by serve speed & ground stroke speed although this is not always the case as Stephens has a pretty lackluster serve in terms of MPH but she can hit some of the fastest FH's on tour. Osaka is in the medium category but can serve pretty well (110+ due to her height)

If anyone has any more info on WTA player specs please comment below and I will update the list.
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- I believe Gauff has a pretty high SW, either medium or high category due to her serve speed. She's not that tall and is only 15, which would lead me to believe her SW is quite high. Also I saw her flatten out a few massive FH's and she was able to match Venus in terms of power/depth for the most part.

- Sharapova I think lowered her SW after her suspension because if you watch her now her shots barely have anything on them. There could be a couple of reasons for this...her getting older, or to keep her from getting less tired due to her not being able to use certain drugs anymore (not being shady)

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Where do you place today's hard hitters like Giorgi, Julia Goerges, the Pliskova sisters, Kvitova, Osaka? They got some of the heaviest shots, sometimes more than the Williams sisters who were listed first.
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Where do you place today's hard hitters like Giorgi, Julia Goerges, the Pliskova sisters, Kvitova, Osaka? They got some of the heaviest shots, sometimes more than the Williams sisters who were listed first.
Osaka is in the medium category

Pliskova & Kvitova are also in the medium category I forgot to add them, but i just did. Thanks!

Giorgi & Goerges I have not seen play much, but I would put them either in the low or medium category. Giorgi hits a massive ball but her swing is quite fast and it looks like she is exerting a lot of energy to hit with such pace hence why she hits tons of errors. with high SW you don't have to swing fast to get power. Goerges has such big backswings there is no way she is using high SW. She is probably using a lower SW, probably not as low as Radwanska though.

It's not only about groundstroke speed, but that is a big component of high SW, its also weight of shot too. As you know if you play Serena it's not only the power but the depth, and spin too. Stephens is not a power player, but hits a very heavy ball due to high SW.

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Actually watching Giorgi vs Venus, i take that back. Giorgi hits a pretty big ball. she's definitely either medium or high. I'll put her in the medium category

Georges is medium also, but more on the lower end IMO due to the bigger backswing

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- I believe Gauff has a pretty high SW, either medium or high category due to her serve speed. She's not that tall and is only 15, which would lead me to believe her SW is quite high. Also I saw her flatten out a few massive FH's and she was able to match Venus in terms of power/depth for the most part.

- Sharapova I think lowered her SW after her suspension because if you watch her now her shots barely have anything on them. There could be a couple of reasons for this...her getting older, or to keep her from getting less tired due to her not being able to use certain drugs anymore (not being shady)
She's taller than Serena.

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Also please note that some of these specs are actually confirmed and some are just my pure speculation. I'll update the first post on which specs are actually confirmed and which ones are just my speculation

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Low swing weight players tend to do well on grass/indoors due to the court speeding up their shots & maneuverability to hit volleys (you volley more on grass than other surfaces normally) examples would be Radwanska, Mauresmo, Kerber. An exception to this would be Suarez Navarro & Schiavone. They both suck on grass, although I do believe Schiavone has a Wimbledon QF? or R16. I can't remember exactly.

High swing weight players tend to do well on slower surfaces, as they can supply enough power to hit through a slow court (Stephens, Henin, Sharapova, Serena) all different game styles but very successful at Roland Garros. Nadal has a pretty high SW around 370 which allows him to hit those massive topspin forehands.

Again this is generally speaking, some low swingweight players do well on clay and vice versa, but that's also due to how familiar a player is with a surface. Davenport & Venus have great set-ups for clay, however they never fully look comfortable on the surface footwork/movement wise.

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Anyone who can play a power baseline game on red clay is generally playing with a high SW, So i'd put her in the high SW category. I just watched highlights of her play Venus at Wimbledon and she can definitely match her in terms of power off groundstrokes.

I'll add her to the list.

Also forgot to add Muguruza, Muguruza is definitely playing with a high SW. The way she was able to over power Serena twice at Roland Garros is quite astonishing

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Hello all...

I'm really into racket customization and I feel like one thing that is interesting is comparing Pro player set-ups and their gamestyles. Swingweight is the most important spec of a racket so I thought i'd mention some players and their swingweights here. .
Despite having copied the description from tenniswarehouse, you do not exactly understand what information swingweight of the racquet gives in addittion to its weight and balance. And SW is not THE most important characteristic at all.
The main one (which is never printed on the raquet) is multiple of weight and balance. This one tells you how heavy or light the raquet feels in the hand when swinging, and how much impetus the raquet can tranfer to the ball, at comparable swing speed.

The main purpose of swingweight is to tell you (for given multiple cited above) how the weight is distributed along the racquet around center of gravity - more to the ends or more to the center. If the main paramemt (weight X balance) is equal between the raquets, then different SW will only tell you which one is more manuevarable, and which one is more stable. But nothing about their relative power...
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- I believe Gauff has a pretty high SW, either medium or high category due to her serve speed. She's not that tall and is only 15, which would lead me to believe her SW is quite high. Also I saw her flatten out a few massive FH's and she was able to match Venus in terms of power/depth for the most part.

- Sharapova I think lowered her SW after her suspension because if you watch her now her shots barely have anything on them. There could be a couple of reasons for this...her getting older, or to keep her from getting less tired due to her not being able to use certain drugs anymore (not being shady)
You're 100% wrong. Sharapova lowered her swing weight after 2008 because of her shoulder. She went to medium and also designed her racquet so it's more flexible. Has nothing to do with her ban and everything to do with her shoulder ya low-key troll. Way to be a Serena fan and transparently start a thread just to bash Sharapova and incite her fans. Reported for baiting. You know she hits as hard as ever just not constantly like she did when younger. Her serve speeds remain in the average of 155 kms (both 1st and 2nd), that's always been the case. Ya shady ass hater.
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Despite having copied the description from tenniswarehouse, you do not exactly understand what information swingweight of the racquet gives in addittion to its weight and balance. And SW is not THE most important characteristic at all.
The main one (which is never printed on the raquet) is multiple of weight and balance. This one tells you how heavy or light the raquet feels in the hand when swinging, and how much impetus the raquet can tranfer to the ball, at comparable swing speed.

The main purpose of swingweight is to tell you (for given multiple cited above) how the weight is distributed along the racquet around center of gravity - more to the ends or more to the center. If the main paramemt (weight X balance) is equal between the raquets, then different SW will only tell you which one is more manuevarable, and which one is more stable. But nothing about their relative power...
I copied it from tennis warehouse, because they can explain swing weight better than I can, and yes SW is the most important spec of a racket. You can disagree if you want, but players play with all type of different balances & static weights so to me those are not as important and also based on my own PERSONAL testing I can tell you SW is the most important spec for winning matches. It doesn't matter what your balance is if you don't have enough SW to put any power on the ball.

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You're 100% wrong. Sharapova lowered her swing weight after 2008 because of her shoulder. She went to medium and also designed her racquet so it's more flexible. Has nothing to do with her ban and everything to do with her shoulder ya low-key troll. Way to be a Serena fan and transparently start a thread just to bash Sharapova and incite her fans. Reported for baiting. You know she hits as hard as ever just not constantly like she did when younger. Her serve speeds remain in the average of 155 kms (both 1st and 2nd), that's always been the case. Ya shady ass hater.
You need to calm down sir, I honestly really admire Sharapova and her fighting spirit, so im not a hater in the slightest. What you're saying makes sense she would need to lower her SW cause of the shoulder injury. I'm not an expert on her career that's why i didnt know the history of her racket changes but i thank you for clarifying that.

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I’ve been really thinking about how the proper swing weight can change my game lately.

I have bigger strokes on the form side so after reading this I figured a lighter swing weight might be better.


However, I saw Clijsters has a high swing weight. My forehand has a a big back swing like hers.


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