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Infinity Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam (doubles slams are nearly worthless, relatively) 11 23.91%
20 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 1 2.17%
10 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 5 10.87%
5 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 7 15.22%
4 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 5 10.87%
3 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 3 6.52%
2 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 1 2.17%
1 Doubles Slam = 1 singles slam (they are worth the same) 2 4.35%
<1 Doubles Slam = 1 singles slam (doubles slams are worth more than singles slams) 0 0%
N/A (impossible to compare the two when measuring greatness) 15 32.61%
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In measuring greatness, how many same-gender doubles slams is = to a singles slam?



I am trying to quantify measuring relative greatness of doubles slams compared to singles slams.

Per the Aljona Ostapenko vs Cara Black thread
https://www.tennisforum.com/12-gener...ostapenko.html

When you are evaluating the legacy and greatness of a tennis player, what is the ratio (of worthiness) of women's doubles slams to singles slams?

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Re: In measuring greatness, how many same-gender doubles slams is = to a singles slam

I would personally say 5 or 6. Although for the Hall of Fame is 3 to 4; probably because they're all about tennis and nothing about fame whoring.

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I would personally say 5 or 6. Although for the Hall of Fame is 3 to 4; probably because they're all about tennis and nothing about fame whoring.



https://www.tennisfame.com/blog/2017...cies-in-2-01-8
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In my opinion, the two are so different that it’s difficult to compare them. However, I’d probably say that 2 doubles slams = 1 singles slam.
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Re: In measuring greatness, how many same-gender doubles slams is = to a singles slam

When comparing singles, nobody cares about doubles. That’s a fact. Simply because some players don’t even play doubles and, obviously, success also depends on your partner. Makarova has 3 doubles GS. Do we compare her to Azarenka, Kerber or Halep now? No, of course not.
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Re: In measuring greatness, how many same-gender doubles slams is = to a singles slam

A person with one singles slam is greater than a person with 100+ doubles slams.

For example: The Bryan brothers in ATP, none of them is greater than any of the slam winners in Singles.
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Any discipline won in a grand slam is the same weather singles or doubles any win in a slam is great accomplishment even in the doubles.
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I would personally say 5 or 6. Although for the Hall of Fame is 3 to 4; probably because they're all about tennis and nothing about fame whoring.



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They shouldn't be combined at all. You can be a singles great and/or a doubles great but these 2 don't combine into a single "greatness" factor.
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Three or four. In that ballpark.

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A person with one singles slam is greater than a person with 100+ doubles slams.

For example: The Bryan brothers in ATP, none of them is greater than any of the slam winners in Singles.
This is exactly the type of post I would expect from you. No, that is not a compliment.
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A person with one singles slam is greater than a person with 100+ doubles slams.

For example: The Bryan brothers in ATP, none of them is greater than any of the slam winners in Singles.
Greatness is difficult to measure with objective criteria and cross singles/doubles disciplines. But I would say Bryan brothers are greater than Costa or Gaudio, definitely in terms of fame, names recognition, overall results, dominance and as tennis ambassadors.

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When comparing singles, nobody cares about doubles. That’s a fact. Simply because some players don’t even play doubles and, obviously, success also depends on your partner. Makarova has 3 doubles GS. Do we compare her to Azarenka, Kerber or Halep now? No, of course not.
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Greatness is difficult to measure with objective criteria and cross singles/doubles disciplines. But I would say Bryan brothers are greater than Costa or Gaudio, definitely in terms of fame, names recognition, overall results, dominance and as tennis ambassadors.
I would say that they are more well-known due to their personal circumstances:
Being twins, and above all, being Americans.

On the long run, I don't think their name recognition will hold up. Costa and Gaudio's names will be forever written on the list of Roland Garros Singles champions.

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