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Infinity Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam (doubles slams are nearly worthless, relatively) 12 24.49%
20 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 1 2.04%
10 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 5 10.20%
5 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 7 14.29%
4 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 6 12.24%
3 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 3 6.12%
2 Doubles Slams = 1 singles slam 1 2.04%
1 Doubles Slam = 1 singles slam (they are worth the same) 2 4.08%
<1 Doubles Slam = 1 singles slam (doubles slams are worth more than singles slams) 0 0%
N/A (impossible to compare the two when measuring greatness) 16 32.65%
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Greatness is difficult to measure with objective criteria and cross singles/doubles disciplines. But I would say Bryan brothers are greater than Costa or Gaudio, definitely in terms of fame, names recognition, overall results, dominance and as tennis ambassadors.
Perfect example. Gaudio's slam was a fluke really. OTOH, Costa really dominated clay tennis (or was up there with the best of them) for a couple of seasons, so he's definitely greater. But you can also reason that Gaudio's slam is worth more just because of his one-time run.

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Re: In measuring greatness, how many same-gender doubles slams is = to a singles slam

Doubles record is only a tiebreaker for players with similar singles records.
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Re: In measuring greatness, how many same-gender doubles slams is = to a singles slam

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When you are evaluating the legacy and greatness of a tennis player, what is the ratio (of worthiness) of women's doubles slams to singles slams?
Not sure it can be evaluated

But if you wanted to try surely the value of a doubles title has to diminish over time?? Certainly since I have started watching tennis there may be the odd blip here and there but the overall trend in terms of the quality of the doubles field has been in only one direction - continually downwards. People will say it is a different discipline which it is but surely nobody is seriously arguing the best players in the world are playing doubles? And at one point many of them did.

And the value of doubles may keep diminishing as many of the young players coming through seem to have very little interest. Ironically the nearest thing to a well known young player in a doubles draw these days is Jelena Oysterpancake. Even Ash Barty seemed to have better things to do this Wimbledon.
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Re: In measuring greatness, how many same-gender doubles slams is = to a singles slam

Personal examination would be 4 doubles slam = 1 singles slam. However, the general consensus here would tell you that it's not comparable.

Reason for 4 is because 2 players worked for this slam so the work is half and the importance itself is half. In general grand slam prize $ these days reflects that as well. Usually doubles prize money is 1/4 of singles, but if you consider the prize $ being distributed to each individual, then it will be 1/8.

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Doubles is not worthy of a comparison to singles, doubles is mostly for failed single players who were never good enough, or average single players who play doubles to bump up their career earnings, that's the only reason they bother. Vast majority of people don't care about who won what doubles comp in the years that follow let alone remember, not outside of super fans anyway. Just basically a load of average players shuffling around in small spaces making an easy living.

Let's not pretend otherwise.
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A person with one singles slam is greater than a person with 100+ doubles slams.

For example: The Bryan brothers in ATP, none of them is greater than any of the slam winners in Singles.
They're greater than albert costa....thomas johanson...petra korda....... I could go on....... The only one slam wonder they probably arent considered greater than is Andy Roddick, but Roddick made four other slam finals and had he not existed during Federer era probably would have won more. (that said they should be considered greater than him)

Anyway, I dont think you can compare the two. Different games. Those saying when talking singles you dont care about doubles. I disagree completely. Look at the players who are tied in singles, but also played doubles....

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Not sure it can be evaluated

But if you wanted to try surely the value of a doubles title has to diminish over time?? Certainly since I have started watching tennis there may be the odd blip here and there but the overall trend in terms of the quality of the doubles field has been in only one direction - continually downwards. People will say it is a different discipline which it is but surely nobody is seriously arguing the best players in the world are playing doubles? And at one point many of them did.

And the value of doubles may keep diminishing as many of the young players coming through seem to have very little interest. Ironically the nearest thing to a well known young player in a doubles draw these days is Jelena Oysterpancake. Even Ash Barty seemed to have better things to do this Wimbledon.
Su-Wei, Barbie are almost in the final. Wait, are you calling them "old"?

Mertens and Sabalenka are fairly serious about their doubles. And Mladenovic is well known.

But of course, personally I agree - Ostapenko clearly is the main draw in doubles these days - it took both Andy Murray *and* Serena to outshine her hype. And it takes a Federer-Nadal for me to even consider skipping her semifinal
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20?? i was gonna say nobody outside tennis fans know doubes players but then again no one knows ostapenko or myskina either
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I randomly chose 5:1 because it felt about right. But honestly it is more to do with an indefinable greatness in the discipline than just a counting stat - and I would say that someone like Cara Black had "it". The 60+ year old Navratilova somehow, some way, still seems to be able to bring it - at least once in a blue moon in an invitational match - to me, her doubles slams and titles are not meaningless at all in assessing her overall greatness. Hingis is another one like that.
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It's just not comparable
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The HOF counts doubles as a criteria so it absolutely counts. Does it out weigh singles? Probably not but that doesn't mean it should be ignored. It takes training and skill just like singles. The fact that singles gets more attention shouldn't mean doubles is ignored.



Someone like Pam Shriver is absolutely greater than a one slam wonder in singles.
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They're greater than albert costa....thomas johanson...petra korda....... I could go on....... The only one slam wonder they probably arent considered greater than is Andy Roddick, but Roddick made four other slam finals and had he not existed during Federer era probably would have won more. (that said they should be considered greater than him)
Bullshit. The Bryans would lose against these players in singles.
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Bullshit. The Bryans would lose against these players in singles.
And yet Doubles record:

Costa: 30–57
Johnason:76–98
Korda: actually won a doubles slam but most people dont know his name.

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The greats of the WTA such as Court and Navratilova have the boxset in each and even mixed for good measure.
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