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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

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First of all, Jelena Ostapenko is not great at all...

Second of all, if Cara Black's only claim to fame are doubles, then she's not great at all as well...
I'm surprised that you've ever heard of Ostapenko.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

And of course Black is greater than Ostapenko.
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The point I'm trying to make by comparing these two random players: all-time doubles great is more relevant to tennis history than someone who fluked a singles Slam.

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Too bad that the singles history books are looked at and studied more extensively than the doubles ones.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

Oh well, maybe Jelena can win this mixed and make her own claim to greatness.

If she doesn't concuss her partner first.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

Who is Cara Black ?
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

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Who is Cara Black ?
Someone who can only get mentioned on a tennis forum by being compared to Jelena Oysterpancake.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

For now, by far.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

I mean, an irrelevant comparison, which is the point I suppose, but I'll bite.

Ostapenko obviously is superior in singles, and while Black is currently leagues ahead in doubles she could never succeed in singles the way Aljona has, while Aljona has proven in her short career that she actually has great doubles potential. I mean she will never get close to having Cara's touch and volleying skill which was practically unparalleled, but she has shown great ability to hold her own against both the girls and guys on a doubles court, her serve is more reliable and her strokes are ridiculously powerful as ever. She's looking good to potentially win the mixed at Wimbledon too.

So I'd say sooner rather than later she'll have a clear margin over Cara, though a singles grand slam arguably already gives her this depending on how much you value doubles.

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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

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I'm pretty sure more people have witnessed Ostapenko's RG run than all of Black's doubles wins combined.
Ouch, but yeah - it is very likely. Doubles vs singles in terms of publicity & prestige is like comparing basketball with modern pentathlon in terms of popularity nowadays.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

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That doesn't make her a better player.
Winning a Slam vs never even coming close kinda does.

As for greatness, doubles = no one cares = irrelevant. Or otherwise, that Dutch wheelchair player would be the greatest ever.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

Inanely random.
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Re: Probably unpopular opinion: Cara Black is greater than Jelena Ostapenko

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Winning a Slam vs never even coming close kinda does.

As for greatness, doubles = no one cares = irrelevant. Or otherwise, that Dutch wheelchair player would be the greatest ever.
Ostapenko isn't 1/100 as known as Anna Kournikova even today. It's not all about publicity.

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