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post #31 of 52 (permalink) Old Jun 19th, 2019, 08:48 PM
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I'm so sick of Swan getting a Top 180 ranking gifted just by this UK WCs every year.

Rather give Robson one so she gets some $$
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Weirdly the most problematic WC to me is the one with maybe the greatest potential - Gauff. She is really too young to be getting this kind of preferential treatment - and she must have a powerful team pulling strings on her behalf if they're getting RG to hand out a QWC to a non-French player and Wimbledon to hand out a QWC to someone with no form on grass.

Gauff is an incredible talent but there have been a lot of statements and actions from her and her team that are ringing all sorts of alarm bells. They are pushing her very hard very young, almost like they want her to be a Vaidisova-like burnout. There is NO need for her to be getting multiple GS WCs yet! Compare how this is Swiatek's first ever WTA WC, MD or Q, and she had to be damn near top 60 before getting one.

Lisicki's addiction to WCs is a joke (how on earth has she not run out of them yet?), especially in her dire form, but it's hard to turn down a former finalist. At this point she's only hurting herself, is she delusional or just stupid?
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I'm so sick of Swan getting a Top 180 ranking gifted just by this UK WCs every year.

Rather give Robson one so she gets some $$
Not really gifted because you still have to win matches to get the points to make the top 180. Granted there is some advantageous fortune by getting into the draw in the first place. But unless by some bizarre fluke you get w/o's and retirements into the second week a top 180 ranking requires beating other players.

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Lisicki really? I wish Wimbledon would stop rewarding has beens like her and Baghdatis. It's fine if they are showing some form or a promise of a return but Lisicki is really just done! She's played a full schedule and can't get herself a top 200 ranking she's won ONE match in 2019! At least the British scrubs have beaten other scrubs. She's lost to Shinikova, Raina, Galfi and Wallace, it's just a mockery.

EDIT: It's also her 8th WC of the year. Like why is she so popular? Are people really buying tickets to see someone who never even cracked the top 10!

Pls don't come at me Lisicki fans.
When you're looking at potential candidates for QWCs, who is a better choice than Lisicki? What other QWC candidate has that name recognition or such a strong association with the tournament? Memories of her runs are still strong in the UK.

Obviously she shouldn't receive wild cards forever off of past achievements but if she comes knocking in any individual year, I imagine it's tough for the tournament to argue against her. Even if she has a 0.01% chance of getting into the main draw, there's more potential profit there than there is for anybody else they could choose.
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I don't see what is wrong with any of these wild cards when you compare them to the ones in the other slams. Swiatek is the junior champion and would be top seed in the qualies. Watson, Swan and Dart are all capable of beating top 100 players and are all ranked above any of the RG wild cards.

The four to be announced:
1. Ilkley winner should get one if she is not in the main draw.
2. The fact that Boulter has not got one yet means that it is only 50-50 that she can play at Wimbledon because she would definitely have got one otherwise.
3-4. I am not really sure who else they are hanging back for:
i. Is Burrage definitely out for Wimbledon or are they waiting for the last chance in case she is fit?
ii. Bains. I am pretty sure if Boulter is not fit for Wimbledon, they will give a WC to Bains. I just cannot see them giving 4 next in WCs if there are Brits in the top 300 without them.
iii. Further withdrawals by this weekend could mean that Watson or Swiatek could get in main draw or effectively become 'next in' WCs.
iv. Who else could be in line for a MDWC? Can you see them upgrading Dunne, Lumsden, Jones or Raducanu?

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WHAT!?! You're deluded. She's won one match all year against Ellen Perez. How is that more deserving than Harriet Dart who qualified for AO or Katie Swan who just beat a top 100 player. Swiatek is firmly in top 100 at aged 18! Plus her and Watson are literally the next two in anyway. So even if you abandoned freebie culture they would still be in main draw!

How is one good run at Wimbledon 6 years ago worth a lifetime of wildcards?
No she's done so much better than that!!! She's won two!

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We need to end this freebie culture anyway.[/QUOTE]
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The great Bjorn Borg couldn't get into Wimbledon main draw because they had no main draw WCs.
The winner of 5 championship trophies at Wimbledon had cut back his playing and didn't have enough points to get into the main draw, so he would have had to play the qualies.
The Wimbledon bosses got a ton of bad press from the other tennis stars, so now you have WCs.
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I don't see what is wrong with any of these wild cards when you compare them to the ones in the other slams. Swiatek is the junior champion and would be top seed in the qualies. Watson, Swan and Dart are all capable of beating top 100 players and are all ranked above any of the RG wild cards.

The four to be announced:
1. Ilkley winner should get one if she is not in the main draw.
2. The fact that Boulter has not got one yet means that it is only 50-50 that she can play at Wimbledon because she would definitely have got one otherwise.
3-4. I am not really sure who else they are hanging back for:
i. Is Burrage definitely out for Wimbledon or are they waiting for the last chance in case she is fit?
ii. Bains. I am pretty sure if Boulter is not fit for Wimbledon, they will give a WC to Bains. I just cannot see them giving 4 next in WCs if there are Brits in the top 300 without them.
iii. Further withdrawals by this weekend could mean that Watson or Swiatek could get in main draw or effectively become 'next in' WCs.
iv. Who else could be in line for a MDWC? Can you see them upgrading Dunne, Lumsden, Jones or Raducanu?
Possible Ilkley winner aside, Kristyna Pliskova is making the best new case this week. Top 3 win, has played well on grass historically, only just outside the cut. Another win in Birmingham would seal it, I think, but a QF might even be enough.

Badosa is still alive in Mallorca, too, though it's unlikely she goes far enough to get on the WC radar.

Real shame that Rybakina wasn't rewarded for her 's-Hertogenbosch run. People think Wimbledon rewards grass form but what they actually do is reward commitment to British grass tournaments - I don't think 's-Hertogenbosch performance has ever counted for anything, unfortunately.

Dunne, Jones and Raducanu aren't in action this week so I don't see how their circumstances would change. Lumsden, if anything, put herself further out of contention by losing to someone playing their first ever match on grass.
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'Real shame that Rybakina wasn't rewarded for her 's-Hertogenbosch run. People think Wimbledon rewards grass form but what they actually do is reward commitment to British grass tournaments - I don't think 's-Hertogenbosch performance has ever counted for anything, unfortunately.'

Just another example of how unfair they are - or can be? In the current live rankings she is now ranked higher than any of our girls outside of Konta.
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'Real shame that Rybakina wasn't rewarded for her 's-Hertogenbosch run. People think Wimbledon rewards grass form but what they actually do is reward commitment to British grass tournaments - I don't think 's-Hertogenbosch performance has ever counted for anything, unfortunately.'

Just another example of how unfair they are - or can be? In the current live rankings she is now ranked higher than any of our girls outside of Konta.
Yes. Wimbledon is by far the most fair, globally-minded GS when it comes to WCs but it's not perfect.

Way, way better than the other three though. The USO is the only one left that doesn't acknowledge its junior champions. (Although I now suspect that RG giving Gauff a QWC was less about setting a precedent and more about Gauff's powerful team.)

People talking about profit are missing the point. Tashkent or Charleston or Nottingham might need a local, no matter how out of place, to shift a few tickets, but the GRAND SLAMS are going to sell out and get acres of press regardless of whether Katy Dunne or even Sabine Lisicki is in the draw.

IMO WCs should be either to reward past accomplishments, present form or future potential - and no player should ever get more than two per calendar year or more than two years in a row.
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WHAT!?! You're deluded. She's won one match all year against Ellen Perez. How is that more deserving than Harriet Dart who qualified for AO or Katie Swan who just beat a top 100 player. Swiatek is firmly in top 100 at aged 18! Plus her and Watson are literally the next two in anyway. So even if you abandoned freebie culture they would still be in main draw!

How is one good run at Wimbledon 6 years ago worth a lifetime of wildcards?
Please learn to read properly, my posts states that a) I think the British wildcards are pointless and underserving which followed on to b) if you must hand them out then Lisicki would be more worthy of a wildcard than those pointless underserving brits which is 100% correct, does not matter one iota if Lisicki had one final 6 years ago, she's still done far far more there and in her career than the freeloading young british players, and the Watson, that's a fact. Yet Sabine goes into qualifying instead. Not sure why so many liked your post, maybe they can't read either.

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First match back following a double grand slam and major coaching drama can be tricky, but Naomi manages to get probably the easiest second round match humanly possible in Dubai (Kiki Maldenovic). Naomi has to thank the Dubai organizers for granting a wild card to Fatma Al Nabhani in the main draw, which enabled Kiki to actually post a win in a WTA singles event. This is great for Naomi, Kiki, and Al Nabhani (who should really be contesting club matches against Alexandra Stevenson), so everybody wins!
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Please learn to read properly, my posts states that a) I think the British wildcards are pointless and underserving which followed on to b) if you must hand them out then Lisicki would be more worthy of a wildcard than those pointless underserving brits which is 100% correct, does not matter one iota if Lisicki had one final 6 years ago, she's still done far far more there and in her career than the freeloading young british players, and the Watson, that's a fact. Yet Sabine goes into qualifying instead. Not sure why so many liked your post, maybe they can't read either.
Maybe you should also learn to read properly (a weak comeback) your post was basically advocating for Lisicki to be given a wildcard forever more. Perhaps Wildcards should be abolished. I never even questioned the worthiness of British wildcards, just said that Lisicki would be a worse choice. Calling Watson a journeyman nowadays is laughable when you're claiming a woman ranked 299 who has won two matches this year is more worthy than someone only 4 out of the MD cut (who would make it if we did indeed abolish WCs)

Lisiscki is a freeloader she has WC after WC handed to her all over the world, it's ridiculous on what is basically a player who is done. By your logic she should be given one every year based on what she once was (which wasn't even THAT good anyway).

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it's known that wildcards usually go to players from the country where the slam is being held too

like AO = quite some aussie talent

FO - quite some French talented players

wimbledon - newer generation british players, and a familiar face between them and now that is Heather watson i guess

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I'm so sick of Swan getting a Top 180 ranking gifted just by this UK WCs every year.

Rather give Robson one so she gets some $$
It is a long time ago that Laura Robson merited any wild cards. Fortunately it is forgotten that after her wrists problems of 2013, the only player she ever beat in a main WTA draw was an unranked Moroccan girl.
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