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Let's also not forget Giorgi, she seems to have avoided most of the criticism. She's not played since Miami, had very little chance of playing here, but also conveniently withdrew late enough to collect her £20k windfall - the likes of Allertova would have been in the main draw had Camila also withdrawn a little earlier, and while this rule is still in existence, it will continue to be exploited.
There is no evidence that Giorgi went to Paris to collect 50% of the 1R prize money.

To be on spot and to be examined by an independent doctor is a mandatory requirement for the new rule to apply. Of course we do not know about the medical examination, but is well documented that Boulter was in Paris.

Also Berdich was in Paris, so the rule applies, but again there is no evidence for the Parisian presence of Raonic or Kyrgios.
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Re: Katie Boulter makes hasty French Open getaway after picking up controversial pay

Then everyone should be examined right before the entry deadline whether they are going to be fit to play or not.
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Giorgi is just as bad, except for the fact that there weren't articles in the press several weeks ago saying she would pull out of RG. The Boulter articles must have come from the Boulter camp. If she had better PR sense, she would have put out a statement like: 'I am sorry to pull out of Nuremberg but I am really hoping to play at RG but in the end it is up to what the doctors say.' and not pulled out of Surbiton until she had also pulled out of RG. Then she would have covered herself, but this was messy.
Pretty much this. It was a dumb move from her team to talk about how she's gonna miss RG a month ahead. They probably thought it's a nice stunt to highlight how she sacrificed her own career for the Fed Cup team but it's backfiring now.
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Right, she withdrew from Surbiton already, so no way did she think she could play the FO.

I think she got some advice from someone to do this, probably her coach. But I know I would find it difficult to turn down an opportunity for £20,323... And it's not like she's taking the money from needy children..the Grand Slam tournaments are loaded.

The British press are such vultures... the way they make passive aggressive comments about her walking quickly when she has a spinal injury.. TBh, I would do the exact same thing, just walk past them quickly and not engage.
She's taking it from another player's pocket.
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Re: Katie Boulter makes hasty French Open getaway after picking up controversial pay

So this was a bit unfortunate...

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She's taking it from another player's pocket.
Not really, because there would always be a player to take her place in the draw.... So it's unfortunate for Vogele that she did not make the main draw but a lucky loser will now be in Katie's place in the draw and get the prize money. In essence, if you are just outside the cutoff, like Vogele, it's down to luck whether you get in to the draw or not anyway. I also think it's better in this instance that someone who made the final round of qualifying gets into the MD over someone who lost in the first round of qualifying.
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There is no evidence that Giorgi went to Paris to collect 50% of the 1R prize money.

To be on spot and to be examined by an independent doctor is a mandatory requirement for the new rule to apply. Of course we do not know about the medical examination, but is well documented that Boulter was in Paris.

Also Berdich was in Paris, so the rule applies, but again there is no evidence for the Parisian presence of Raonic or Kyrgios.
Well you had to delay your withdrawal until after 12pm either French or UK time on the Thursday and Giorgi conveniently withdrew after that point and before the 7pm draw. Had she withdrawn on Wednesday then she wouldn't have received it like Makarova/Sharapova etc. didn't, but her press are not like vultures, so we probably won't know for certain, but either way, had Giorgi withdrew 3 or 4 days earlier, before qualifying started, Voegele would have been in the main draw and Bondar would have been in qualifying which generally seems to be the main gripe of people on this thread.
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Not really, because there would always be a player to take her place in the draw.... So it's unfortunate for Vogele that she did not make the main draw but a lucky loser will now be in Katie's place in the draw and get the prize money. In essence, if you are just outside the cutoff, like Vogele, it's down to luck whether you get in to the draw or not anyway. I also think it's better in this instance that someone who made the final round of qualifying gets into the MD over someone who lost in the first round of qualifying.
She also denies a player (with Giorgi, that's two players) to be able to play qualies. Especially this year when the cut off was a bit harsher than usual.
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Not really, because there would always be a player to take her place in the draw....
Wrong. She prevented a girl out of the top 200 to play qualies and get (at least for a 1RQ loss) a much needed €7,000 check.

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she has done nothing wrong. She has made less than £100k this year, so a £20k windfall for that level of player, same with every player in that ranking range, is certainly not to sniffed at.
Poor thing. Less than 100,000 pounds. By May. Bless her.

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Right, she withdrew from Surbiton already, so no way did she think she could play the FO.

I think she got some advice from someone to do this, probably her coach.
At least they could have told her to wait and withdraw from Surbiton AFTER withdrawing from RG so she doesn't make a fool of herself
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Same as Buzarnescu last US Open : https://www.tennisforum.com/12-gener...-recovery.html
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So she should have turned up, played a few games, retired and taken twice as much money?

Thats what was happening all over Wimbledon 2017 when the powers that be decided to take action.
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Re: Katie Boulter makes hasty French Open getaway after picking up controversial pay

Giorgi had the sense to keep a low profile - she didn't drip stories to the press a month in advance, she withdrew before the draw, avoiding a "will she, won't she" situation, she didn't make a fake-sounding tweet about hoping to play, she didn't get photographed at Garros, or at Chelsea Flower Show or some equivalent.

In other words, she didn't exacerbate the situation to make her easy prey for a media desperate for any whiff of controversy.

Boulter withdrew from both Surbiton and Manchester on May 3, just around the time the story broke that she'd miss Garros and possibly Wimbledon.

I don't like this practice, and yes, it does impact other players, all the way down the line - the alternates, who could have played a different tournament or rested this week, the players who would have had a better seeding in qualies, the players who just missed qualies.

That said, I think everyone can understand the temptation, and the rules as they stand explicitly allow this. I think the media reaction is overly harsh, and probably came as a shock to Katie, who has been quite favourably treated up until now.
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Independent doctor is not really an option. They are no fine black and white lines reagarding health. And even if there is conses about the state the player's body is in, it is realyl on the player to decide - once in while there would be condition one player would play with and another would not, some condition might be like it takes over na hour of play for the body part to be pressured to become a problem, a time, player might hope to decide a match already before having to dealing with the issue. Some might want to take precaution and be ready for next slam on more favourable surface, some want to play anyway as this is their farewell tournament etc

In the end, doctors can't tell a player she can't play, that could open a new can of worms as potentially abuseable and if somebody would be foudn unfit to play and would face repercusiions if withdrawing late, that would push some injured players to play in effort to show they are not misusing any rules.

I prefer the aforementioned idea of giving this Buzarnescu/Boulter money to players withdrawing in any time between cut off and q draw, perhaps maybe lessing the money for players withdrawing after q draw by 10% or something. To limit late withdrawals to mostly those unfortunate players getting injured/sick at the very last days before tournament or with reasonable hope to get better to be able to play but ultimately failing to do that. There always be player with genuinely day-to-day conditions and late injuries to withdraw late and those have to retain the security of having 50% money withotu being barred from playing by any new rules. The others should be positively motivated to withdraw in time.
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There's not much wrong with what she did, a lot of people would do the same if they were in her position.
But it is how she still try to uphold her image as someone not trying to do what's she did was the most upsetting thing.
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Re: Katie Boulter makes hasty French Open getaway after picking up controversial pay

Boo fucking hoo that some scrubs are missing out on making the cut due to the late withdrawals. Maybe they should work harder at their own games so they're ranked high enough and are not relying on other people being injured to make it in.
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