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He definitely improved Serena's clay court game and results by an absolute mile. That part of his era was head and shoulders better than the 2000s Serena.
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Re: Mouratglou: Serena was an underachiever before working with me!

It was much easier for Serena to win everything after 2012 when all of her main rivals retired and no one good debuted.
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It was much easier for Serena to win everything after 2012 when all of her main rivals retired and no one good debuted.
she only had rivals because she lost focus post 2003 and got injuries. before that, she won everywhere.
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He's the real #1
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Pre-Patrick

2002 FO W
2002 Wimbledon W
2002 USO W
2003 AO W
2003 Wimbledon W

2008 USO W
2009 AO W
2009 Wimbledon W
2010 AO W
2010 Wimbledon W

And scattered results inbetween (not to mention death of her sister)

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2012 Wimbledon W
2012 USO W
2013 FO W
2013 USO W

2014 USO W
2015 AO W
2015 FO W
2015 Wimbledon W


And scattered results inbetween

So I really don't get how "she never was as regularly solid as with him before " infact it seems to be an almost identical pattern of chunks of great form followed by in-and-out form where she's only winning a slam here and there.
and 2016 wimbledon and 2017 australian. and 1999 us open
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Re: Mouratglou: Serena was an underachiever before working with me!

I'm not sure about "underachiever", but there's no doubt that without him she wouldn't have won half of the slams she managed to in that period. There's a high probability she would have retired around 2013-14. Also let me remind you about 2010s courts conditions that are different to 2000s. It's PM who teached Serena how to play there, without him with her old gamestyle she was exposed by some lower ranked players. So yees, he is responsible for her success.
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No one had ever heard of him before
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Pre-Patrick

2002 FO W
2002 Wimbledon W
2002 USO W
2003 AO W
2003 Wimbledon W

2008 USO W
2009 AO W
2009 Wimbledon W
2010 AO W
2010 Wimbledon W

And scattered results inbetween (not to mention death of her sister)

Post-Patrick

2012 Wimbledon W
2012 USO W
2013 FO W
2013 USO W

2014 USO W
2015 AO W
2015 FO W
2015 Wimbledon W


And scattered results inbetween

So I really don't get how "she never was as regularly solid as with him before " infact it seems to be an almost identical pattern of chunks of great form followed by in-and-out form where she's only winning a slam here and there.
There are 5 years between 2003 and 2008 vs 2 years between 2010 and 2012 and 1 year between 2013 and 2014... I see no real slump in Patrick's period, maybe mini-slumps when she was still number 1.
And the fact that Serena was in her 30s in 2010s. In my opinion, there's no comparison. During PM era she overachieved.
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No one had ever heard of him before
Marcos Baghdatis made AO final with him. Someone who cheers for all scrubs should know better.
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Re: Mouratglou: Serena was an underachiever before working with me!

This is the kind os statement that even if true, you keep it to yourself if you're in his position.
Leave for the books, the press and the fans to speak about greatness. When you feel the constant need to make that a point of subject, you just sound full of yourself .
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Re: Mouratglou: Serena was an underachiever before working with me!

Not sure what all the whining is about. Serena has been far more consistent working with him than before him. Firstly, I think he has had his best influence in keeping her motivated (and motivation is something Serena often struggled with for much of her career in her 20's), helped by the working chemistry that they both have and it's obvious he pushes her. And her tennis under him also saw subtle changes with more margin and spin on her shots and less ball bashing.

Just because someone is a narcissistic asshole who can't shut up doesn't mean he's some kind of fraud who did absolutely nothing for Serena.
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Re: Mouratglou: Serena was an underachiever before working with me!

he is only partially correct. with him she won 10 slams in the span of 4 1/2 years. that is more than 2 slams per year. so fact does speak for itself. the other truth is once she turns 30 she realizes that time is running out. so she is extra motivated to win as many slams as she can. so that part is on her and not him. she would have won that many more slams after 30 with other coaches as well.
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Re: Mouratglou: Serena was an underachiever before working with me!

After just reading the title, I knew Saraya would be the OP.
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