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Re: Sharapova OUT of French Open

I really don't know where does she go from here. I mean even if she is fit to play Wimbledon, what's the point, she will be rusty and will lose in R1 or R2. She should end this season and try to heal for Australia 2020 ...
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Expected. I'm glad that Maria is taking her time and not rushing into things this time around. I really hope she recovers well in time for the US Open. I just don't see her making a comeback at Wimbledon or any of the grass leading-ups. The great thing here is that she's still hungry for success and she's doing everything she possibly can to get herself back in form and playing well again.
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Makes me sad to think what she could have done *if healthy* here in the past 8-12 months, with the parity on tour. She may have won a couple more slams.
She couldn't even beat a #30 something Osaka and you think she would snatch some Slams from her?
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Re: Sharapova OUT of Stuttgart( Stephens,Svitolina and Collins too)

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If meldonium is such a "secret sauce" then why would Sharapova have tested clean of it for such long bouts, including winning a Brisbane title and making the final of the Australian open? She took it intermittently, as evidenced by her tests that are now made public.

Where is the evidence of meldonium having any positive or negative effect on injury, particularly when speaking about tendons and ligaments?

I'd like to know where you're getting your scientific evidence from
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I never made such assertions, so I don't need to provide any evidence.

But if you wanted some evidence to back up the claim I actually did make, it is accepted that Meldonium creates "enhanced aerobic endurance and physical work potential, improved functional heart activity and ameliorated recovery after maximal and sub-maximal loads of exercise." [1] Enhanced physical work potential and ameliorated recovery means greater training potential when compared with clean athletes.

The rest was explained by quiet_mike. We have no reason to believe Maria didn't consistently take Meldonium for a decade, especially seeing as she basically admitted it herself: "I had been legally taking that medicine for the past 10 years." Not that taking Meldonium intermittently would somehow be exonerating; in fact it might suggest that it was even more likely taken for performance enhancement. People cycle steroids too by the way, that's part of what out of competition testing is for.
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Regardless of what you think about Sharadopa, this girl is not going to retire. This girl has the competitive spirit instilled in her. Yes she's got tons of money and can live the rest of her life doing whatever the hell she wants. But the truth is, she loves this sport (although she may not respect it the way she should) and she loves compething. People have been calling for her retirement since the doping scandal, but she has not gone away. She'll be back, to what level who knows, but she'll be back.
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Re: Sharapova OUT of Stuttgart( Stephens,Svitolina and Collins too)

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I never made such assertions, so I don't need to provide any evidence.

But if you wanted some evidence to back up the claim I actually did make, it is accepted that Meldonium creates "enhanced aerobic endurance and physical work potential, improved functional heart activity and ameliorated recovery after maximal and sub-maximal loads of exercise." [1] Enhanced physical work potential and ameliorated recovery means greater training potential when compared with clean athletes.
Are you people even know what are you reading?

Just in case, will once again use bigger letters, considering reading comprehension problems.

It should be noted, the one paper that keeps popping up, which I just linked, is not about mildronate’s effect on sports performance. It is about testing urine samples in a particular manner, as are a few other papers, and as far as I can tell from the last author, it is basically a ‘WADA paper’.

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I really don't know where does she go from here. I mean even if she is fit to play Wimbledon, what's the point, she will be rusty and will lose in R1 or R2. She should end this season and try to heal for Australia 2020 ...
So she will not be rusty next year then if she tries to heal for next year and ends now?
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So she will not be rusty next year then if she tries to heal for next year and ends now?
She might be rusty, but at least she will not be playing injured.
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Are you people even know what are you reading?

Just in case, will once again use bigger letters, considering reading comprehension problems.

It should be noted, the one paper that keeps popping up, which I just linked, is not about mildronate’s effect on sports performance. It is about testing urine samples in a particular manner, as are a few other papers, and as far as I can tell from the last author, it is basically a ‘WADA paper’.

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While the title of the paper and the journal it appears in allude to drug testing procedures, the article itself gives a brief overview of mildronate's use among athletes along with the alleged benefits it provides, including references to existing research and presentations such as 'Mildronate increases aerobic capabilities of athletes through carnitine‐lowering effect' and 'Mildronate effect on physical working capacity among highly qualified judokas.' Unfortunately it's difficult to find these articles if one isn't fluent in Latvian, but we do know they exist

The WADA banned the drug because the patterns of use amongst athletes were consistent with it being a PED. I agree that existing research is limited (as with several banned substances to be perfectly honest), but there is a great case study called Maria Sharapova

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While the title of the paper and the journal it appears in allude to drug testing procedures, the article itself gives a brief overview of mildronate's use among athletes along with the alleged benefits it provides, including references to existing research and presentations such as 'Mildronate increases aerobic capabilities of athletes through carnitine‐lowering effect' and 'Mildronate effect on physical working capacity among highly qualified judokas.' Unfortunately it's difficult to find these articles if one isn't fluent in Latvian, but we do know they exist
Actually no, it doesn't. The actual paper contains one sentence about alleged benefits - see once again source I've linked and see once again paper you've linked, but this time actually read it and try understand it, assuming it's not going to be too difficult for you.

Actually it's not difficult to find said paper. It's even easier to rip it's validity to shreds.

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The WADA banned the drug because the patterns of use amongst athletes were consistent with it being a PED. I agree that existing research is limited (as with several banned substances to be perfectly honest), but there is a great case study called Maria Sharapova
The only thing Sharapova can be the a great case study is your confirmation bias, so as people who clicked Like on your previous post on this subject.
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This is sad news

Hope she'll be back for Wimbledon!

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The best and the brightest have used PEDs. Is it good? No. Is it fair?

No, but when a "governing body" has banned it (after the fact), then it is banned.

Baseball was unclean for years....now not so much.
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When u find concrete evidence of the effects of meldonium, pleaelse link the source. We are all still waiting for the study. Until then, you and all her haters have NOTHING to back it up.
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Regardless of what you think about Sharadopa, this girl is not going to retire. This girl has the competitive spirit instilled in her. Yes she's got tons of money and can live the rest of her life doing whatever the hell she wants. But the truth is, she loves this sport (although she may not respect it the way she should) and she loves compething. People have been calling for her retirement since the doping scandal, but she has not gone away. She'll be back, to what level who knows, but she'll be back.
We're all aware of that. She's stubborn and she wants to prove the world that she's not a cheater and she can can win a slam again. Problem is, it has become obvious that she's unable to compete like she used to meldonium free. At this stage I don't see the point of coming back.
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Actually no, it doesn't. The actual paper contains one sentence about alleged benefits - see once again source I've linked and see once again paper you've linked, but this time actually read it and try understand it, assuming it's not going to be too difficult for you.

Actually it's not difficult to find said paper. It's even easier to rip it's validity to shreds.



The only thing Sharapova can be the a great case study is your confirmation bias, so as people who clicked Like on your previous post on this subject.
You are seeing exactly what you want to see.

Do Sharapova fans think the medical profession should be investing millions of dollars into high quality research exploring the effects of every experimental drug that is abused in sport, on healthy individuals no less? Clinical trials for heart medications are usually conducted on patients with - you know - heart conditions. Some of these exist for meldonium, and one shows improved exercise tolerance in patients with stable angina (which I'm sure you are also familiar with).

If you expect WADA to prove these benefits also extend to healthy individuals, then the public should be provided with Sharapova's medical records detailing high quality evidence of a legitimate cardiac complaint, including her abnormal ECGs and elevated blood glucose and HbA1c levels. I also want to see evidence of Meldonium's anti-viral action, seeing as one of the reasons she apparently took it was for regular bouts of influenza

It just doesn't make sense for a young, healthy athlete to be taking a heart medication long-term, especially when all her fans agree there is not enough evidence on it . I could only identify a few studies on its safety, and all had small sample sizes. If Sharapova doesn't have a heart condition, it's a good thing they did ban her from taking this potentially dangerous substance which lacks high quality safety trials and therefore hasn't been approved in most of the world

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