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Ion Tiriac? Never heard of her
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Player forum. We don't need Patrick's daily delusions everyday in GM.
Speak for yourself, not for all.
I think you are the only one who likes hearing patrick talk all the time.
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They're both full of shit. The difference is Mouratoglu has results behind him, what did Tiriac even do? Oh right he won a slam, oh wait, it was in doubles.

He's a nobody that nobody even knows outside of Romania, and he's desperately clinging onto the career of Simona for a shred of relevance now that the last years of his life are approaching him faster and faster.
Tiriac served as coach and manager for players such as Ilie Năstase, Guillermo Vilas, Boris Becker, Mary Joe Fernandez, Goran Ivanišević and Marat Safin.
Țiriac ran major men's events in Germany, including the season-ending championships in Hanover. Although tennis is now a much smaller part of his portfolio and occupies only 5 percent of his time, he has taken particular pleasure and pride in making Madrid Tennis Open a combined men's and women's event with €7.2 million in total prize money. The trophy awarded to the tournament winner bears his name.
In 2018, Ion Tiriac ranked #1867 on the Forbes World's Billionaires list, with wealth listed at US $1.2 billion.

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Being rich doesnt equate to being well known.
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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

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They're both full of shit. The difference is Mouratoglu has results behind him, what did Tiriac even do? Oh right he won a slam, oh wait, it was in doubles.
Umm. By your own criteria: how many slams did Mouratoglou win (either in singles or in doubles?). Or at least, ATP tournaments? How many Davis Cup finals has he played?
Concerning the coaching/manager career, Tiriac was not so bad after all, see one of the above posts (he used to work with some ATP N.1 bringing them to that ranking or guiding them to some Slams) while Mouratoglou took the one-time phenomenon called Serena Williams as a player already accomplished previously under the guidance of a certain Richard Williams.
Of course, Tiriac has no sweet tongue and may seem rightfully rude at times, but the guy knows a lot about tennis.
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..and though, he's not full of shit like mouratoglu.
They're both full of shit. The difference is Mouratoglu has results behind him, what did Tiriac even do? Oh right he won a slam, oh wait, it was in doubles.

He's a nobody that nobody even knows outside of Romania, and he's desperately clinging onto the career of Simona for a shred of relevance now that the last years of his life are approaching him faster and faster.
What is exactly mouratoglu’s results? I dont like tiriac but he has had a good playing career. Everybody knows serena would have achieved everything she achieved without patrick. Serena just hired him cause richard cant travel anymore, serena also trained with richard prior to wimbledon up until 2016 when richard had his stroke.

Also, almost everybody that has worked with patrick has spoken ill of him. How unrealistic he is. It only works with serena cause serena has already unrealistic expectations of herself being a perfectionist. And everything serena has changed in her game is due to richard not patrick. Serena was working on her top spins with her dad during the off season prior to 2012. Mouratoglu owes his fame to Serena.
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Being rich doesnt equate to being well known.
I'm not so sure that "Being rich doesn't equate to being well known". But anyway, the accent was on his tennis player/trainer/manager career, the part with Forbes' list was just the last sentence that I've had to mention because ignorant-boi I'm sure has no idea about that, he's clueless.

Returning to the "Being rich.." part, you're maybe saying that some of the richest people are totally unknown to the public, they're not present into the mass-media because they're too smart to have the slightest trace of vanity! If you're saying that, you might be right...
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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

he's the owner of madrid tournament and romenian, therefore, he's a big halep supporter.


and yes, he's a prick. patrick should let him sail itself.
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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

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Newspaper translation, Ion about Serena today before Halep's SF:

„The old woman is 36 or 37 years, because she is not very young. Let's say the right one. She also has the kilograms that she has. But when she wins the point, the ball goes twice as fast as of any other player. Now, if you move her twice, she does not get to the ball, that's for sure. But can you move her?!

Does she send the blow that ends or can you move her with the first shot and with the second you almost get the point? If you do not finish the point quickly, she out of three strokes gets a winning one. Mathematically and on paper, Simona can win with anyone and quite easily.”
Flash: ALL of the top twenty players are capable of 110+ mph serves and many can produce 119-120 mph serves. The idea that Serena simply "overpowers" her opponents meme is getting very old.

These are the stats for the fastest serves in this Wimbledon event in women's singles:
https://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scor...ats/index.html
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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

There's a point underneath all his shitty language. Clearly any plan to play Serena involves moving her and trying to expose her footwork; on an off day this will pay huge dividends, but if she is on there's really very little you can do unless you match her power and athleticism toe to toe e.g. prime Venus.

Of course trying to move her does not mean you just push and get the ball back; Serena is too astute on court for you to expose her that way, and before you know it she'll be ripping groundstrokes and you find yourself the only one being yanked around the court. You need a degree of aggressiveness and aim for the lines; not too close such that you make too many mistakes, but close enough that you're not playing too central a ball. I mean, that's the hardest thing about playing Serena, your effective hitting zones within the court are *small*. During her peak this effective zone is around 1/8 of the court width away from any line, that's really just a sliver. Now that she's older, I think the effective zone has expanded to around 3/16 to 1/4 of the court width. It's bigger (because she is older and her movement is definitely not young Serena levels), but can you exploit it?

Tiriac definitely could have made his point better, but I guess this is what he is trying to say. Can Halep do it? She'll need to be brave and go for her shots, and she'll need to redline enough. Tall order, Serena is still the favorite, but she has a semblance of a chance. But one thing's for sure: if Simona grinds and stands back it's all over.
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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

It's funny how people always talk about "moving Serena", and never talk about how Serena moves her opponents.
She was moving Strycova all over the court. If you have not seen the match, you can find the Replay on ESPN+.
The other players DO NOT HAVE THE MONOPOLY on moving Serena.

Watch how she moves Halep on Saturday. Maybe you won't see it. Because your brain is only expecting Halep to move her. lol lol lol
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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

Omg thanks for pointing me to this interview. The whole interview is just so funny, too bad you guys don't understand romanian... he has such a weird, eccentric way of speaking

He doesn't even address Serena by name, just calls her "that old woman" or "that granny" something like that but otherwise it's one of the more respectful statements about her he's given in the romanian media. He doesn't give interviews that often but I'm sure if his protégé Halep beats Serena in the final he'll come out with some more quality bashing
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In one thread Serena's coach says Tiriac should respect Serena, and in another thread he's insulting the top players for #1 moving around
Be consistent Patrick! Either accept that men insult the womans tour or dont be a part of that trolling if you're going to call out other trolls
Not the same thing. One is a personal attack, the other is about the state of the game. Not to mention one is a racist.
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There's a point underneath all his shitty language. Clearly any plan to play Serena involves moving her and trying to expose her footwork; on an off day this will pay huge dividends, but if she is on there's really very little you can do unless you match her power and athleticism toe to toe e.g. prime Venus.

Of course trying to move her does not mean you just push and get the ball back; Serena is too astute on court for you to expose her that way, and before you know it she'll be ripping groundstrokes and you find yourself the only one being yanked around the court. You need a degree of aggressiveness and aim for the lines; not too close such that you make too many mistakes, but close enough that you're not playing too central a ball. I mean, that's the hardest thing about playing Serena, your effective hitting zones within the court are *small*. During her peak this effective zone is around 1/8 of the court width away from any line, that's really just a sliver. Now that she's older, I think the effective zone has expanded to around 3/16 to 1/4 of the court width. It's bigger (because she is older and her movement is definitely not young Serena levels), but can you exploit it?

Tiriac definitely could have made his point better, but I guess this is what he is trying to say. Can Halep do it? She'll need to be brave and go for her shots, and she'll need to redline enough. Tall order, Serena is still the favorite, but she has a semblance of a chance. But one thing's for sure: if Simona grinds and stands back it's all over.
You think Halep can do any of that. The foolish man just motivated Serena to routine his girl.
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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

Who the hell is this scrub and why do people care what he says about elite tennis players? He can go somewhere and be the flop that he is. PERIOD. I can guarantee you Serena doesn't give two fucks about this dude.

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Re: Ion Tiriac should respect Serena Williams, says coach Patrick Mouratoglou

I'm going to try a translation that's as close to the original as possible.

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Although that old lady is 36 or 37 years-old, for tennis that's not very young. Let's be honest, she is also overweight. But, when she as they say, smacks it, the ball goes twice as fast than any other.

Now, if you make her move two times, she won't reach it, that's for sure. Can you move her though? What came first, the chicken or the egg? What is it, her hit that ends you or can you be the first to make her move and finish her with the second?

But if you don't end the point quickly, from three hits she will get a winner. On paper, Simona could win with either one (Strycova or Serena) and pretty easily.
Normally, in this ultra-PC world we live in, I wouldn't have an issue with these kinds of statements. The problem is that he's putting Simona in a very awkward position. Serena is her idol and also considers her a friend but Tiriac helped her negotiate the contract with Nike and gave her a lot of useful advice on how to manage her career.

Just recently, Simona posted two photos with Tiriac on Instagram. One, from his birthday party, the other congratulating him for becoming head of the Romanian Tennis Federation. Given the context, I don't know what he was thinking, making those statements.
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