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Re: Sharapova/Meldonium Thread (2) - Hearing 18-19th May

The most interesting part with this case is both sides will bring medical experts to argue their case. I am looking forward to what Marias medical expert will say and how he will argue meldonium is the drug to use for athletes with heart problem like most Russian athletes
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1 - Meldonium is not sold over the counter where she lives.
2 - You are letting slip that Meldonium is not a real heart medicine.

You also mean that Meldonium is not dangerous, so what? And if it's not a "real heart medicine", then what is it?
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Oooh, you slipped up there Jimmie

If it's not real heart medicine, what is it and why is she taking it? Surely someone with her condition should be taking the real stuff as a precaution at least?
Since you should not expect a proper answer very soon I'll make a try; must be an ingredient for a stylish cocktail...

- during the clay season, mainly in Rome (Internazionali BNL d'Italia) Italian Meldonetto (Meldonium, amaretto liqueur, orange juice, sugar, frozen lemonade, ice)

- during the AO, as well as for different exotic tournaments (Acapulco, the Asian tour), Meldquila Sunrise (mixture of Meldonium powder & rhino horn powder, tequila, squeezed orange juice, jigger grenadine syrup, ice cubes, optionally one maraschino cherry for garnish)

- during the grass season, Strawberry Meldonquiry (smuggling Meldonium, rhum, frozen strawberries, lemon juice, lime juice, ice)

- between tournaments, while visiting the motherland, Meldonka (pure Meldonium powder, genuine Russian vodka, Siberian ice)

- last but not least, after the every match vs Serena, Bloody Meldy (triple dose of Meldonium, rough vodka, a drop of absinthe, tomato juice, Worcestershire sauce, ground black pepper, fresh lime juice, celery seed)

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That's just common-sense, dangerous drugs are neither sold over the counter nor do they retail for $4 per pack. Have you looked at what real heart medicine costs?
Grindeks spokeswoman Klavina told TASS a different story:

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"In the wake of the developments around the prohibition of mildronate, it has become more popular and in greater demand. We are receiving messages from patients, doctors and pharmacists from various countries," Klavina said. "Its sales increased. But I want to stress that this is a medicine and should be used on the doctor’s prescription."
Russia also recently (before the Sharapova incident) re-classified meldonium from an over-the-counter to a prescription-only drug, according to this article from a Russian source:

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Currently, the drug can be bought only with a prescription. However, in the words of neurologist Irina Vostrikova, meldonium does not fall into the category of drugs with strict regulations and until recently was not even a prescription drug, which is why it is possible that many pharmacies will still sell it without a prescription.
I wonder why it was reclassified if it is so harmless and suitable for everybody.
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Re: Sharapova/Meldonium Thread (2) - Hearing 18-19th May

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Meldonium is a 'vital and essential drug' in Russia. the sales figures mentioned in that post are from online sales, completely ignoring how Grindeks has its own factories in Russia that manufacture mildronate. not to mention, how STADA has a bigger market share in Russia than Grindeks when it comes to meldonium. and these are just two, there are many other companies that are producing meldonium in Russia.
Just to correct you on your first objection, the sales figure of 65 million euros is not online sales only, but total sales of mildronate by Grindeks anywhere, including through its subsidiaries in other countries. It wouldn't have been possible to be online only since total turnover from all drugs Grindeks sells is about 80 million euros.

If other companies that manufacture generic meldonium have a significant market share, then their sales should be added to those of Grindeks. That would increase the rate of use of meldonium, which I estimated to be 0.66% of the population, but still would keep it significantly lower that the percentage of angina patients in Russia.
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Re: Sharapova/Meldonium Thread (2) - Hearing 18-19th May

I believe this discussion of the plausibility of Maria's medical conditions and of the effectiveness of meldonium has not been posted before, although it was published shortly after her press conference. It appeared on the blog of the Science family of journals, and is written by a biomedical scientist with lots of experience in the development of pharmaceuticals.

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An outstanding drug caught in that situation [not eligible for a US patent] could easily be the subject of some research to produce a newer derivative or improved formulation that would be patentable, but when you haven’t seen that happen, it increases the chances that the drug itself is something that probably wouldn’t find much of a niche.

[...] It’s prescribed for ischemia in cardiac patients, and the increased blood flow is surely the reason that it’s caught on among some athletes. Sharapova’s claim that she has been taking it for years for “medical reasons” doesn’t sound very plausible, at least at first, considering what the approved patient population looks like – they tend not to have very effective backhand strokes.

She claims to suffer from magnesium deficiency and a family history of diabetes, but I’m having trouble drawing a line from those to meldonium. Most of the time when people talk about a family history of diabetes they mean something like Type I or MODY, either of which would have presumably shown up long since in Sharparova’s case. And a professional athlete would seem to be at little risk of Type II, with its strong connection to weight gain and lack of exercise.

[...] Magnesium is not a particularly rare element in a varied human diet and it can be easily supplemented. A true problem with its absorption is something that can be demonstrated clinically. Unless Sharapova has something to back that diagnosis up, it’s not very solid, either.

[...] Unless more evidence comes to light, I’d say that this case is exactly what it looks like.
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Since you should not expect a proper answer very soon I'll make a try; must be an ingredient for a stylish cocktail...

- during the clay season, mainly in Rome (Internazionali BNL d'Italia) Italian Meldonetto (Meldonium, amaretto liqueur, orange juice, sugar, frozen lemonade, ice)

- during the AO, as well as for different exotic tournaments (Acapulco, the Asian tour), Meldquila Sunrise (mixture of Meldonium powder & rhino horn powder, tequila, squeezed orange juice, jigger grenadine syrup, ice cubes, optionally one maraschino cherry for garnish)

- during the grass season, Strawberry Meldonquiry (smuggling Meldonium, rhum, frozen strawberries, lemon juice, lime juice, ice)

- between tournaments, while visiting the motherland, Meldonka (pure Meldonium powder, genuine Russian vodka, Siberian ice)

- last but not least, after the every match vs Serena, Bloody Meldy (triple dose of Meldonium, rough vodka, a drop of absinthe, tomato juice, Worcestershire sauce, ground black pepper, fresh lime juice, celery seed)

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Re: Sharapova/Meldonium Thread (2) - Hearing 18-19th May

I hope the doper/cheat gets a 4 year ban. Come on tennis gods make it happen. I can just imagine if this were Serena! Nope throw the book at her. She didn't apply for any TUE's and she's had a high level of Meldonium in her blood.


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No,she should get the max or at least a 2 year ban!
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Since you should not expect a proper answer very soon I'll make a try; must be an ingredient for a stylish cocktail...

- during the clay season, mainly in Rome (Internazionali BNL d'Italia) Italian Meldonetto (Meldonium, amaretto liqueur, orange juice, sugar, frozen lemonade, ice)

- during the AO, as well as for different exotic tournaments (Acapulco, the Asian tour), Meldquila Sunrise (mixture of Meldonium powder & rhino horn powder, tequila, squeezed orange juice, jigger grenadine syrup, ice cubes, optionally one maraschino cherry for garnish)

- during the grass season, Strawberry Meldonquiry (smuggling Meldonium, rhum, frozen strawberries, lemon juice, lime juice, ice)

- between tournaments, while visiting the motherland, Meldonka (pure Meldonium powder, genuine Russian vodka, Siberian ice)

- last but not least, after the every match vs Serena, Bloody Meldy (triple dose of Meldonium, rough vodka, a drop of absinthe, tomato juice, Worcestershire sauce, ground black pepper, fresh lime juice, celery seed)

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The whole case against Maria now seems very doubtful: https://www.tennisforum.com/331-siber...vol-4-a-3.html
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The whole case against Maria now seems very doubtful: https://www.tennisforum.com/331-siber...vol-4-a-3.html
Hate to bust your bubble, but Maria is FINISHED. Worst than that, she is LEAVING IN SHAME.

She will not be remembered for being a 5 grand slam winner in the open era, which IMO, I think is a great achievement, she will be remembered like Lance and Marion, as a DOPER AND CHEATER..
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