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Good effort, but also very delusional in same way. It sounds like every player on tour want to be rich instantly, no matter if s/he is #100 in singles or #700 in doubles. That is not how it works, sadly or not.
Also, some of these data feel really out of place considering big part of prize money (slams mostly) were tremendously rising in past 4-5 years.
Yes, not everybody was paid really well, but there is a change, and more and more players getting paid better, even if they dont improve their ranking at all. Of course there will be always a line where players will earn less than they spend, but this is pushed by lower and lower on rankings each year. Years ago even players in top100 didnt make enough money, now that changed to top200. In couple years its going to be top300 hopefully. But this needs time, its not like a snap. Especially not for someone barely cracking top200 in doubles.

for example, here is a table how Year-End WTA Prize Money Ranking - including both singles and doubles earnings - changed just in couple years.

- top10 changes are irrelevant since fluctuation is too big with slam results and other big titles.
- 50-200 got huuuuge increase in last 4 years, mostly because Slam prize money.
- 200-300 moderate increase with some players getting into slams in doubles and qualies.
- below 300 it is only a small change.

for comparison dollar inflation in same period was like this:
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not only it doesn't pay the bills but it's actually an enormous expense.... yea read every day interview to every player, even in the lower echelons, one thing I'd always ask these players is who's actually financing them.
Well for some players they have endorsements, sponsors, and many have family money

But for many other players, myself included, you must self-fund. Coaching and doing other work like construction or handyman work is what I do now. Gotta hustle and get dat paper. Then you save up for several years and then go for it.

What you gotta do really is plan a whole year's schedule and stick to it. All this flying from Brazil to US to Taiwan etc. every week really racks up the bills.

My plan is to do the Dustin Brown. Save up money and buy a van/RV and live out of that, driving to tournaments. Maybe stay in a hotel for as long as you are in the event, but after that, you are sleeping in the vehicle. Doing this, you can keep your expenses under $20,000 a year if you are in a country like the US where you can play 20-30 events a year w/o leaving the country.

Of course the US is fucking massive, it may be easier to do this in Europe with much less travelling to tournaments, but with gas at under $2 a gallon, it might just even out at the end.

For instance, I am 26 now and want to save up until age 30/31 and then have enough to do 2-3 years on the future/challenger tour and see what's going on. Of course my game level is not to that level now, which I why I also play local Men's Opens to increase my playing level. We will see what's going on over the next 4-5 years and if it works out. If not, well, time to get a more lucrative job, find a wife and have a family, but at least take a shot here.

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She's not really saying she should have been paid more she's saying she couldn't maximise her potential because lack of funding meant taking shortcuts and compromising important things.

Em has spent years making a global network of coaches, (now ex) players, tournament officials, hotel owners etc... and host families that help with costs. She also usually does the sponsor pro ams etc... as you get a bit of money for those. She plays broadly thr same schedule every year with a few tweaks if tournaments are cancelled or if she wants to try a new country.
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Just like in real life outside tennis. Get used to it.
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“If someone said, ‘Here’s $150,000 to try and make it,’ I would absolutely go for it. I know I have the tools, it’s just the money.
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The International Tennis Federation’s Pro Circuit Review, published in December last year, calculated players’ expenses to total $38,800 for male players and $40,180 for female players.
While brainstorming my genius unwashed panty funding, this discrepancy escaped my attention. Why does she need almost 4x as much? $40k is a lot less panty sales - only 3.75 panty sales per week


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While brainstorming my genius unwashed panty funding, this discrepancy escaped my attention. Why does she need almost 4x as much? $40k is a lot less panty sales - only 3.75 panty sales per week
$40k probably means traveling the absolute cheapest way possible whereas with $150k she could travel in a bit more luxury.
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ITF survey was about actual costs, not about the ideal world, where players would play anywhere they like, would be traveling with the coaches full time etc.

And it's average. It's one thing to spend six months in Sharm el Sheikh and it's a different thing flying to a different tournament every week.
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$40k probably means traveling the absolute cheapest way possible whereas with $150k she could travel in a bit more luxury.

I'd wager $40 is the cheapest and $150,000 is what you would have to spend to try and create or maintain an elite career. The $40k figure is likley if you use your local clubs coaches for an hour session or as part of a group. The $150,000 is likely having a full time top level coach, physio, personnal trainer, expenses for your coaches travel, food, accomodation etc. I'd imagine $150,000 isn't even for having your own team on tour.
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As for similar extended reading for those interested here are a few similar and informative articles:

A low ranked Irish proffesionals tour:

Financing the Tour | Life as an Irish Professional Tennis Player

A player surviving through Grand Slam entries being in just the top 100:

Forbes Welcome


An couple of good articles on tenis costs that features CoCo and Bethany:

French Open -- The sobering reality of tennis costs

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/30/te...os-count-cost/

A good topic on tennis money:

https://www.tennisforum.com/12-genera...y-problem.html

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ITF survey was about actual costs, not about the ideal world, where players would play anywhere they like, would be traveling with the coaches full time etc.

And it's average. It's one thing to spend six months in Sharm el Sheikh and it's a different thing flying to a different tournament every week.
Ive heard it straight from talking to one of the players, playing in Sharm el Sheikh isnt cheap
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how about you move to Santa Margherita di Pula where there's soon going to be a futures each week, the place is wonderful and there's even camping facilities. yes, you'd have the transatlantic flight cost but you'd save tons of money staying there and you could also coach at the hotel in the spare time. you should really give it a try imho. plus the field is usually weak-medium for a futures, meaning you'd constantly get to R2/QF at worst, if u are lucky enough you can run into a walkover or a guy getting injuried and you'd rak up tons of pts to play all sort of CH qualies and futures back in USA.
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how about you move to Santa Margherita di Pula where there's soon going to be a futures each week, the place is wonderful and there's even camping facilities. yes, you'd have the transatlantic flight cost but you'd save tons of money staying there and you could also coach at the hotel in the spare time. you should really give it a try imho. plus the field is usually weak-medium for a futures, meaning you'd constantly get to R2/QF at worst, if u are lucky enough you can run into a walkover or a guy getting injuried and you'd rak up tons of pts to play all sort of CH qualies and futures back in USA.
I would definitely do that if I were a not-so-talented medium level player just wanting to live the dream for a few years, but eventually you'd have to get out of the Satellite level in order to improve your tennis, and that's when the going gets though. There's no such thing as a $25K circuit in a single country and that implies travelling all year long.
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A career spent on the ITF circuit almost exclusively playing doubles is a financially fruitless exercise, alas. Has anyone else managed to last as long as Slater has? I suppose someone like Sandra Klemenschits is the closest example but at least she gets into the odd WTA event here and there (and nabs a win or two as well) and doesn't travel as much as Slater.

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Naomi Cavaday on Sharm:

The Charm of Sharm | Naomi Cavaday ? Tennis Mentor

and on prize money:

My Two Pence on Prize Money | Naomi Cavaday ? Tennis Mentor

She returns to the topic elsewhere on her blog.
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A career spent on the ITF circuit almost exclusively playing doubles is a financially fruitless exercise, alas. Has anyone else managed to last as long as Slater has? I suppose someone like Sandra Klemenschits is the closest example but at least she gets into the odd WTA event here and there (and nabs a win or two as well) and doesn't travel as much as Slater.
there's ATP players who've made millions playing CH doubles, not in prize money of course.

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