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The doping row (JHH)

This was in the Daily Telegraph (UK) today. This is getting really big!! No wonder Kim has gone to Aus

Henin angry over doping innuendo
By Mark Hodgkinson (Filed: 11/09/2003)


Justine Henin-Hardenne, the US Open champion, yesterday denied the innuendo from Kim Clijsters' entourage that she had been doped with performance-enhancing drugs when she outlasted her fellow Belgian in the New York final at the weekend.

Leo Clijsters, Kim's father, and other pundits, had hinted to journalists that Henin-Hardenne's physical transformation - an apparent increase in weight and muscle - was "unusual". This latest episode - last month Clijsters accused her rival of repeatedly faking injuries to distract opponents - confirmed that the pair, as one insider put it, "don't exactly invite each other round for cups of tea".

The two camps are now briefing against each other from their own safe sides of Belgium's linguistic divide; Clijsters and Co through the Flemish-speaking media, Henin-Hardenne and friends to the French-speaking press.

Henin-Hardenne's two-set victory was astonishing. Twenty hours before the final she was a serious doubt to even hobble out on court, suffering from dehydration and with a drip stuck in her arm after the three-hour semi-final. But the 21-year-old, who had been concerned that her game was too lightweight to contend with the brutish power of the Williams sisters, has been working hard with physical trainer Pat Etcheberry, so much so that she was frequently in tears.

"It's just ridiculous, so petty. I would have preferred to have been welcomed differently, with talk about my performances," Henin-Hardenne said at Brussels airport. "I have never been tempted by doping. My only doping is work. I am ready to undergo whatever test, wherever, whenever, to prove that my body is clean," she said.

Her coach, Carlos Rodriguez, went on the counter-attack. He said that Clijsters camp was spreading rumours out of jealousy and frustration that both of Henin-Hardenne's Grand Slams - the first was the French Open - have been at the expense of their girl. Clijsters, the world No 1, is the only woman since the WTA introduced the rankings in 1975 to top the list without having won a Slam. Rodriguez said, "I swear on the heads of my two sons that Justine has never taken doping products."

It has been suggested that this new spat may have helped along by Henin-Hardenne refusing to play alongside Clijsters in the final of the Fed Cup this November.
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He said that Clijsters camp was spreading rumours out of jealousy and frustration that both of Henin-Hardenne's Grand Slams - the first was the French Open - have been at the expense of their girl.
By the way, what is Clijsters camp?
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Maybe they better change the name Clijsters into Dewulf, then we have a true story....

*I'm sick of al this actually*

C'mon Belgians
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It has been suggested that this new spat may have helped along by Henin-Hardenne refusing to play alongside Clijsters in the final of the Fed Cup this November.
I wouldn't believe everything they write in the newspapers if I were you This is definitly not true.
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poor justine she doesn't deserve all of this...

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I think that the public should be informed of what is going on because the press have little knowledge of the medical field surrounding the issue and obviously cannot differentiate between doping and drug abuse.

Doping is the artificial addition of red blood cells that increase capillarisation sufficiency, supplying the blood with more Oxygen/haemoglobin and myoglobin that resists lactic acid at the working muscles. Her blood shunt mechanisms would also improve.
The threat of this is clotting of blood in the brain.

Drug intake, on the other hand, is the injection of a substance engineered to resist fatigue, hence improve strength and endurance. However, the alleged steroid of nandrelone she is rumoured to have taken would only be beneficial with 12 weeks-worth of traning and would have been largely ineffective taken the day after her semi-final game.
The only substance I believe she may have taken was cortisone to soften her "injury" but the IOC claim this is perfectly legal.

So, what is going on? What has she been accused of exactly? Because the media's lack of understanding is confusing the issue further.
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By the way, what is Clijsters camp?
Clijsters' camp refers to Kim and the people that surround her. Like her father, mother, coach, Eveline..they are all part of Kim's camp so to speak.
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Kim won't play Fed Cup and Justine won't play too!

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I don't see why everyone is blaming Kim and Leo for the doping allegations. Kim said nothing, Leo didn't either, he said it was 'unusual' yes unusual meaning it doesn't happen often he never said she took drugs to do it, he said it was rare, if I was henin I would have taken that as a compliment. Leo also went on in the exact same quote to say really nice things about henin. I don't blame henin or her coach for their response, but hope they do get imnformed of Leo's complete quote and explanation for he never accused her of drugs. Dewulf did not Leo and not Kim.


I truly hope this doesn't cause any more ill feelings between Kim and Justine, cause sure they aren't good friends but still had respect for each other.
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Clijsters' camp refers to Kim and the people that surround her. Like her father, mother, coach, Eveline..they are all part of Kim's camp so to speak.
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This was in the Daily Telegraph (UK) today. This is getting really big!! No wonder Kim has gone to Aus
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She's not gonna excape it here either. The media pisses me off so much. I wrote into the ATM. complaining about the media & my letter got published.
Its a pity I'm sure there are some good journalists out there just the few bad ones spoil it for all the rest.

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Found this article...

Clijsters snubs Belgian press
From correspondents in Brussels
September 13, 2003

WORLD No.1 Kim Clijsters and her entourage have decided to snub the Belgian press, it was announced on the website of the US Open finalist today.


The decision comes in the wake of controversy the day after her defeat in the US Open final to compatriot Justine Henin-Hardenne last Sunday when Flemish media used comments of father Leo Clijsters pointing out the physical strength of Henin and implying doping.

A statement on www.kimclijsters.be. said: "In agreement with Kim Clijsters, she and her entourage have decided not to talk to the press for an unspecified period of time.

"A list will be published on the website of people to whom they still wish to talk."

Leo Clijsters has since said that comments attributed to him were wrong.

"It seems clear that several newspapers and magazines will from now on be persona non grata because of their offensive content and other sensational articles," he said.

Agence France-Presse
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By the way, what is Clijsters camp?
Maybe a father who defacto blackmails the Leipzig tournament/German Federation that if they want Kim, they give Elke a WC? I'm not blaming either girl, BTW, in fact the one who seems to have been driven (crazier) by the "Slamless #1" situation is Lei. Though it would have been nice had either Elke told Daddy that she won't ride on her last name, OR Kim had put him in his place. (If necessary, the way Juju did with her own unstable father). While Anca Barna of GER is the real victim here, I think you folks know that Kirsten is a much better singles player than Elke.
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Maybe a father who defacto blackmails the Leipzig tournament/German Federation that if they want Kim, they give Elke a WC? I'm not blaming either girl, BTW, in fact the one who seems to have been driven (crazier) by the "Slamless #1" situation is Lei. Though it would have been nice had either Elke told Daddy that she won't ride on her last name, OR Kim had put him in his place. (If necessary, the way Juju did with her own unstable father). While Anca Barna of GER is the real victim here, I think you folks know that Kirsten is a much better singles player than Elke.
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Like I figured, Justine is gunning for #1:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...n.hardenne.ap/

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