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It will not be hard, to defeat all on the hard

I hope I am not being presumptious by starting this new thread for the hardcourt season, with the title hopefully in the style of the previous threads.

After that disappointing Wimby, I am looking forward to Ju's progress on the hard. Very likely she will be facing Serena again, and since hard gives a consistent(though fast bounce), I think she will have a better chance than Wimby where a big serve from Venus and a few big groundies can blow her away, if she is not fresh.

Although Ju didn't get to the final, she showed the class of a champion by the way she lost so graciously to Marion. Repeatedly saying that Marion had worked hard and deserved to be in the final, and also applauding when Marion beat her at the net, and finally saying that Marion was the better player on the day, is worlds apart from Serena saying that the reason she lost was because she played so bad, and all the opponent had to do to win was to show up.

It was painful to watch Ju lose, but it reinforced that I was watching a champion when I saw how Ju lost. Because a champion is a champion not only by the way she wins, but also by the way she loses.

That is why Ju has class and Serena does not, as I have said many times in GM to the horror of the Williams fans there. If you want some entertainment, read the arguments about slavery, vietnam and iraq that I had with a hardcore Williams supporter.

Yes, Marion played well and took her chances, but IMO, Ju lost to Marion simply because she ran out of gas. I hope Ju will not make this mistake again, but I realize she is always balancing the utility of having a tune-up at Eastbourne against running out of gas at Wimby. This time Ju gambled wrong, and since we all make mistakes, it can't be helped. But next year I hope she will gamble differently as playing Eastbourne appears to be a sure-lose proposition.

But now we look forward to the hard, and I will be supporting the Little Engine That Could all the way.

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Re: It will not be hard, to defeat all on the hard

Good titles. hope this thread brings good luck..(in our superstitious world) ...
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I think the hc warm-ups will be harder than the actual GS. Not saying she will win the USO easily, but with those draws in a tier1 she is likely to face a Venus, Serena and Pova or Ivanovic etc in one tourny. Really tough
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I"m really excited for the hardcourt season. I hope Justine continues to have a successful year. Despite a loss at Wimbledon, she is still have a wonderful season, and I would love to see her carry herself through all her commitments. Allez Justine!!!!
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Actually, USO will be the hardest for Justine to win. Harder than Wimbledon. She will not get favourable scheduling as she did in W and she won't have crowd support when she has to play one of Serena or Venus.

Playing well she can beat either of them but she has been subject to break downs recently. Most notably in 06 W final, 07 miami final, and 07 Wimbledon SF. They all have the same pattern which is very worrisome. I hope she can find an answer.

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Ju can win over any crowd

I think pretty much everyone will be in form (although tired) at the USO. I am not banking on her to win the USO at all. So if she does win it, I will be pleasantly surprised
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Playing well she can beat either of them but she has been subject to break downs recently. Most notably in 06 W final, 07 miami final, and 07 Wimbledon SF. They all have the same pattern which is very worrisome. I hope she can find an answer.
Yah, it goes without saying that when Ju gets tired, her first serve degrades, and also her ability to hit her forehand aggressively.

I know her serving woes have been discussed to death, but I cannot help but continue to suggest here.......

I am hoping that she can improve her serving technique so that even if she is tired, she can still put in a lot of first serves, cause IMHO, one's serve should not degrade when one is tired. If the groundies degrade, understandable, because of footwork, concentration, reaction time and so on.

But with the serve one is standing there. It should not degrade.

Ju has tinkered with her serve a lot, and I hope she will continue to improve it, my humble suggestion would be to arch a bit more at the top of the toss and not collapse so fast onto the ball as she has a tendency to do at times, the worst example of this being when she hit the ball into the ground of her own court against Mauresmo in the Wimby final last year. Unfortunately this tendency seems to follow from her ball toss, so maybe she has to make a conscious effort to arch after the ball leaves her hand.

IMO, if Ju can just improve this part of her game, she will have a much better chance to defeat all on the hard.

For short players like Ju, who rely on their groundies as the best part of their game, it's logical that they have to make their serve as consistent as possible, and that means putting more spin on it. I can't agree with those who say that when Ju serves 45% first serves, it does not hurt her.

If you look at the Williams sisters, the main thing they have that is better than Ju is the serve, followed by the return.

If Ju can improve her serve so that she serves 65-70% first serves all the time, even if she is tired, I think it would help alot to defeat her main competitors.

Anyway, let's hope that she gets a good rest and we'll see her back soon.
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i'm hoping for a good hard season, no injuries so she cn play indoor too

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IMHO, her serve could be better but it is fine most of the time. She has been wining even serving at less than 50%. In fact, she been winning sets against good layers serving at less thatn 40% and losing, when she was serving at 60+%.

She has problem when she was serving for a set or a match and, particularly at break points. Her breakpoint save ratio is poor compare to the rest of her game.

This suggests that the problem is more mental than technical.

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If she is healthy, Justine should do well on the hard courts. She will have a several weeks rest befor San Diego, a week before Canada, then a week before the USO. It will be tough for all of them, as these art Tier 1 and a Slam
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IMHO, her serve could be better but it is fine most of the time. She has been wining even serving at less than 50%. In fact, she been winning sets against good layers serving at less thatn 40% and losing, when she was serving at 60+%.

She has problem when she was serving for a set or a match and, particularly at break points. Her breakpoint save ratio is poor compare to the rest of her game.

This suggests that the problem is more mental than technical.
Agree with the addition that very good, natural technique can overcome nerves and tightness(like her backhand), or good understanding of one's technique, can allow one to correct the stroke as it degrades during nerves or fatigue.

As Ju says, somestimes we know what to do, but actually doing it is not so easy.

I'm sure she knows what she needs to do, but finding a way to ensure it gets done in match conditions is not so easy.

I repeat she needs to find a way to stop her from collapsing too fast on her serve. I think the easiest way to do this is simply to change the toss. How in her case, I am not sure. Maybe she needs to throw the ball with her tossing arm more straight from the start, to encourage her arm to go to the left, which will lead her body to make her arch more easily at the end of the toss.

Whatever.

I realize that Ju can win with 45% first serves in, and also can lose with 65% first serves, but I think in general, she will have an easier time winning with a higher first serve percentage, assuming the first serves are all around the speed she hits now, and not just second serves masquerading as first serves.

I believe she can do this, and this will be the most important improvement she can easily make to give her a better chance against the Williams sisters and so on.

Abt the comment that her serve degrades on important points, I think that's a function of her still incomplete technique rather than nerves. If the stroke is no good, it will break down under stress for sure.

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Re: It will not be hard, to defeat all on the hard

The most frustrating thing about some of Justine's matches are when she cannot convert when ahead 0-40 and when she gets broken when, ahead 40-0. To me these breakdowns are definitely mental.

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^ And that seems to be a pretty recent occurence too. I don't recall her having such bad bp conversion rates last year. Although i think the bp% increased gradually this year. But yeah, it IS mental.

Life is tough for her off tour. The tour itself may present it's own issues too. But she is very tough and resilient. I just hope she gets that balance in her life back so she can be more settled off court, and that definitely will translate to on court.

Of course it could be that this all has nothing to do with any personal/life issues; just strictly tennis.lol.
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I think her bp conversion ratio was bad in 06 as well including in the Wimbledon final.

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Re: It will not be hard, to defeat all on the hard

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Ju can win over any crowd

I think pretty much everyone will be in form (although tired) at the USO. I am not banking on her to win the USO at all. So if she does win it, I will be pleasantly surprised
Well Vejh, I am banking on a US Open win. Of course my bank is the piggy variety but JuJu needs that seventh and so do I. I've got around $8 dollars US riding on Flushing Meadows, I think that is about 1/2 euro buck at present.
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