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post #151 of 254 (permalink) Old Mar 30th, 2011, 12:38 PM
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Re: French Open Singles

Never been happy about the #3 seeding of Flo de la Courtie in 1960 and recently came across a draw contradicting this although I have queries about it too!

Trying to get clarification.

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Never been happy about the #3 seeding of Flo de la Courtie in 1960 and recently came across a draw contradicting this although I have queries about it too!

Trying to get clarification.
I'm looking forward to it Chris.
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Re: French Open Singles

The official draw for the women's singles event at the 1960 French Championships has the following players as the top 8 seeds:

1. Zsuzsa Kormoczy (HUN)
2. Maria Bueno (BRA)
3. Florence de la Courtie
4. Ann Haydon (GBR)
5. Sandra Reynolds (RSA)
6. Darlene Hard (USA)
7. Jan Lehane (AUS)
8. Yola Ramirez (MEX)

The complete draw: http://www.fft.fr/rolandgarros/pdfpa...mes1960_en.pdf

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The official draw for the women's singles event at the 1960 French Championships has the following players as the top 8 seeds:
Hi Mark. Yes-and this information is buttressed by World Tennis. This is the current draw we have listed here. While Courtie's seeding appears to be absurdly high to us today she was French-the best explanation I can come up with for her high seeding. I'm pretty confident in the draw as it stands.

At any rate if Chris comes up with another draw we can look at it. Several years ago when I spent a couple of days at the Wimbledon Library and spoke with their librarian Alan Little. I noted how organized Wimbledon's results were and asked about the French. Would it be worth making a trip to Paris? He laughed and told me that the French were so unclear about their own results that they regurlary were visiting the Wimbledon library like I was to obtain results!

Now I understand that the French have their own library at Roland Garros and are much better organized. It makes me wonder though what source or sources were used for many of these "official" draws. Did they use original draw sheets-copy from magazines like World Tennis or Tennis et Golf, or a combination of sources?
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Hi Mark. Yes-and this information is buttressed by World Tennis. This is the current draw we have listed here. While Courtie's seeding appears to be absurdly high to us today she was French-the best explanation I can come up with for her high seeding. I'm pretty confident in the draw as it stands.

At any rate if Chris comes up with another draw we can look at it. Several years ago when I spent a couple of days at the Wimbledon Library and spoke with their librarian Alan Little. I noted how organized Wimbledon's results were and asked about the French. Would it be worth making a trip to Paris? He laughed and told me that the French were so unclear about their own results that they regurlary were visiting the Wimbledon library like I was to obtain results!

Now I understand that the French have their own library at Roland Garros and are much better organized. It makes me wonder though what source or sources were used for many of these "official" draws. Did they use original draw sheets-copy from magazines like World Tennis or Tennis et Golf, or a combination of sources?

Looks as if it's right then or maybe not based on what Rollo has said.

I happened to notice last night that Rino Tommasi has Renee Schuurman as the #3 seed and FDLC as #14 and bells started ringing, but he maybe made an assumption!

While you would think Schuurman would be placed ahead of de la Courtie it also wouldn't have made sense for her to be ahead of Haydon or Reynolds, the South African #1 who had been a semi-finalist the year before.

Schuurman although greatly talented was never more than a lower top 10 player and had no recent results to suggest such a high ranking.

I can't believe the French could be so brazen as to seed FDLC at #3 but if that's in the official records then you have to accept it.

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Re: French Open Singles

I'm now 100% sure Rino did make an assumption. Dawson's Tennis Annual for 1960 makes a special mention of the ridiculous #3 seeding of the Frenchwoman.

Why didn't Christine Truman defend her title in 1960?
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I'm now 100% sure Rino did make an assumption. Dawson's Tennis Annual for 1960 makes a special mention of the ridiculous #3 seeding of the Frenchwoman.

Why didn't Christine Truman defend her title in 1960?
Don't know - it was a bit before my time.

I have a book written by Christine in 1961 - not very comprehensive just dips in and out of her playing career - and there is no mention of this.

She appeared to play the English grass court circuit April-May and one thought which occurs to me is that the LTA might have intervened.

At that time the Wightman Cup was very competitive GB won 4-3 in 1958 the US 4-3 in 1959. It was to held in Britain just before Wimbledon in 1960. From what I can gather of the era the LTA almost considered the WC the Holy Grail for British Women. Just conjecture but perhaps they "forced" Christine to remain in Britain to get grass court practise.

After all they tried the same with Ann Jones in 1966 - fortunately she refused to buckle under to them.

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May 26 to June 8.
Draw of 64.
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Sources:World Tennis and Tennis Corner. Missing some dubs.
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2nd Round

King[2] d. Rossouw 6-4 4-6 6-2
Correct score per newspaper reports was 6-2, 8-6.
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Correct score per newspaper reports was 6-2, 8-6.
Which newspaper report? The French site has the score of King[2] d. Rossouw 6-4 4-6 6-2.

http://www.fft.fr/rolandgarros/pdfpa...mes1969_en.pdf


And while they could of course be wrong, the New York Times also repeats this score: "Mrs King had to struggle to defeat Laura Rossouw of South Africa 6-4 4-6 6-2. Mrs King was still hampered by a tennis elbow."

P. S. The NYT came from the UPI wire.
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Re: French Open Singles

UPI reported the 6-2, 8-6 score:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...nch+open&hl=en
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Thanks AR. I'll double check World Tennis (the magazine) and World of Tennis.
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Re: French Open

Little correction, 1988 R2:
Navratilova[2] d. Ter Riet 6-1 2-0 ret

The exact score 6-0 2-0 ret. / there is a clip on the INA website, when Hellas Ter Riet throws up and retires from the match. http://www.ina.fr/sport/tennis/video...entral.fr.html
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Re: French Open

Thank you Tommystar-it has been corrected
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Re: French Open

1907
found in a French newspaper
"C'est encore pire en 1907 où il n'y a qu'un seul set dans tout le tournoi avec trois engagées dans le tournoi féminin! Mme Kermel gagne 6/1 contre son adversaire qui abandonne. Son adversaire en finale oublie de se présenter!"

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only 3 competitors
Comtesse Therese de Kermel (FRA)just 1 set played in first match against ?? (who is this player ??)
in the Final . d'Elva (FRA)has not showing up.
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Re: French Open

1898
ENIGE DEELNEEMSTER walkover

just one player !!
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