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AWESOME work Would love to see you preview Ohio State :P They're going to be good this year with Di Lorenzo on fire.
She just beat Robin Anderson at this week's ITF tournament. How many years does she stay at tOSU before she turns pro?
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She just beat Robin Anderson at this week's ITF tournament. How many years does she stay at tOSU before she turns pro?
CiCi Bellis killed Di Lorenzo 3 and 0 at the Daytona challenger today, which likely illustrates 2 things: (1) Di Lorenzo's game still needs to develop and (2) people like me should even further discount Bellis' statement that she plans to attend Stanford in 2 years, and reduce our excitement at the prospect of her as a Card accordingly.

Muhammad also schooled Zhao 2 and 2, so Carol should seriously think about completing her degree at Stanford as well, before turning pro.

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Oooh, excited that Lynn Chi played today--2 singles matches even! She played at #4 and then #3. Definitely showed some rust, but wow, I've missed that backhand!

And she played #3 doubles with freshman Maria Smith. Did not get to see them play, but I think that's a more promising tandem than what Cal had in the fall.

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Oooh, excited that Lynn Chi played today--2 singles matches even! She played at #4 and then #3. Definitely showed some rust, but wow, I've missed that backhand!

And she played #3 doubles with freshman Maria Smith. Did not get to see them play, but I think that's a more promising tandem than what Cal had in the fall.

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Why are they not playing at Freeman or NCTC?
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She just beat Robin Anderson at this week's ITF tournament. How many years does she stay at tOSU before she turns pro?
She's from the Columbus area and her sister played college. I really think that she'll stay all 4 years. At least 2. I'm also being biased, but unless she completely dominates, I don't see her turning pro just yet.

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@Amalgamate - Can't wait to read your take on Stanford this season!

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It's going to be an interesting first half of the spring season for Stanford, and Lampl, Lord, and Yee will all likely be in the line-up to start, as Zhao is training with the Canadian national team and will be unavailable until March/April, as detailed in the link below. I see Stanford losing at least a few matches prior to Zhao's return, and it'll be interesting to see how the team then performs at the NCAAs, especially given the likelihood of another low seed, leading to potential tough early match-ups in the tournament.

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It's going to be an interesting first half of the spring season for Stanford, and Lampl, Lord, and Yee will all likely be in the line-up to start, as Zhao is training with the Canadian national team and will be unable until March/April, as detailed in the link below. I see Stanford losing at least a few matches prior to Zhao's return, and it'll be interesting to see how the team then performs at the NCAAs, especially given the likelihood of another low seed, leading to potential tough early match-ups in the tournament.

https://gostanford.exposure.co/five-...ines-to-follow
I would be surprised if they lost 3 matches, maybe two at the most. The Freshman Trio is untested but so was Zhao/Davidson/Doyle.
Unless Yee is not 100%, I think their line-up is deep enough to put up a good fight without Zhao.

This will only make the team stronger down the road to play one slot higher now then later this season when Zhao returns.

We shall see.

Davison, Doyle, Hardebeck, Lampl, Lord, and Yee is not bad of a line-up as a backup.
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I would be surprised if they lost 3 matches, maybe two at the most. The Freshman Trio is untested but so was Zhao/Davidson/Doyle.
Unless Yee is not 100%, I think their line-up is deep enough to put up a good fight without Zhao.

This will only make the team stronger down the road to play one slot higher now then later this season when Zhao returns.

We shall see.

Davison, Doyle, Hardebeck, Lampl, Lord, and Yee is not bad of a line-up as a backup.
I would be thrilled if Stanford only lost 2 matches, but they almost surely will play Florida, USC and UCLA all before Zhao returns, and those could all be losses, although #2 USC had a surprisingly difficult time beating #59 UCSB yesterday with its starting line-up all playing...on USC's own courts! (No. 2 USC Women Fight Back For Season-Opening Victory - University of Southern California Official Athletic Site), so who knows how strong they really are. If Zhao doesn't return before 4/16, you can throw 2 matches against Cal in the equation as well. Only 2 losses in those 5 would be great. Pepperdine (#19) and Clemson (#20) are up in March as well, and they could be tricky without Zhao.

I think the freshmen class is a solid one (after all, it was rated #1) and I had really high hopes for it, but only Lampl performed well in the fall, with a 5-2 record. Lord was 6-4, with Yee 3-4. Not exactly confidence inspiring. This class definitely isn't on par with the class of Zhao/Davidson/Doyle.

Does anyone know what happened to Yee last year? She apparently had a serious injury, and she hasn't recovered since. She was #1 for the couple of years prior to the injury, but now struggles in matches. She's lost a couple of close ones to solid players, but she lost to #83 Donika Bashota 6-0, 6-1 on 10/26 and didn't have terribly convincing wins against unranked players.

My money is on Florida this year, especially if Woolcock and Danilina continue to impress the way they have lately. Danilina was a bit underwhelming in the fall (especially for once being ranked the #3 junior in the world), but she's totally turned it around of late.
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I would be thrilled if Stanford only lost 2 matches, but they almost surely will play Florida, USC and UCLA all before Zhao returns, and those could all be losses, although #2 USC had a surprisingly difficult time beating #59 UCSB yesterday with its starting line-up all playing...on USC's own courts! (No. 2 USC Women Fight Back For Season-Opening Victory - University of Southern California Official Athletic Site), so who knows how strong they really are. If Zhao doesn't return before 4/16, you can throw 2 matches against Cal in the equation as well. Only 2 losses in those 5 would be great. Pepperdine (#19) and Clemson (#20) are up in March as well, and they could be tricky without Zhao.

I think the freshmen class is a solid one (after all, it was rated #1) and I had really high hopes for it, but only Lampl performed well in the fall, with a 5-2 record. Lord was 6-4, with Yee 3-4. Not exactly confidence inspiring. This class definitely isn't on par with the class of Zhao/Davidson/Doyle.

Does anyone know what happened to Yee last year? She apparently had a serious injury, and she hasn't recovered since. She was #1 for the couple of years prior to the injury, but now struggles in matches. She's lost a couple of close ones to solid players, but she lost to #83 Donika Bashota 6-0, 6-1 on 10/26 and didn't have terribly convincing wins against unranked players.

My money is on Florida this year, especially if Woolcock and Danilina continue to impress the way they have lately. Danilina was a bit underwhelming in the fall (especially for once being ranked the #3 junior in the world), but she's totally turned it around of late.
Florida? TV you need to put them Stanford shirts you own and give it to Goodwill if you got money on them Gators! You should know by now that the underdog always wins and with Florida favored this year, I don't think they stand a chance to be the front runner and still be last standing. Remember what happened in 2010 and 2011?

This is why I say Stanford will be tough to beat.
First, they have a deep line-up, first time since Gibbs and Ahn were playing #3 and #4, with Tan at #5.
Second, Zhao/Davidson/Doyle are DUE in a big way to grab that title. It took Gibbs and Ahn their junior year to do it and I think this trio will follow in their footsteps. Only one Stanford team did not win a title in a 4 year span and I don't think ZAD wants the pressure build into their senior year.
Third, Hardebeck is a big wildcard in their line-up. She was the difference in her freshman year when she won the title and was the deciding factor, especially when she teamed up with Dillon to win at #3 doubles. I got a hunch that KH will go out in style and note that she's playing well right now. She may be the catalyst to light the fire as she's the only representative with a ring, aside from Kostas, who did not start.
Fourth, they win at least every 3 years...2010/2013/2016
Fifth, I am usually right about my predictions.

Another thing, forget about the fall as it has nothing to do with what happens in the Spring when they're playing for all them marbles. The Fall is just a warm-up. Yee is a baller. She will own #6, which I have a hunch Lele will place her. Lord will step it up at duals, individual tournaments mean nothing when you she has her team cheering her on. You know how loud it gets at Stanford. Those first 3 matches are at home, so do I need to explain this to you???
The match at Berkeley against Cal will be enough time for Carol to get back because MM does NOT mess around and I honestly think Cal, not USC or UCLA will be their strongest PAC-12 opponent.

Oh, maybe they lose to Florida which is a good thing because the season winner is the post season loser, but I don't expect them to lose to a So. Cal team and I don't care what SS says, you hear me Slick?

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Great post on Stanford. A few points:

KH is essential. Having her play to her potential is critical......but only to get Stanford around the elite 8. Asking your 1,2,3 to essentially go undefeated against elite teams is just impossible, unless you have a top 3 of Zhao, Robin Anderson and Jamie Loeb. Then maybe you do that 95% of the time. This top 3 ---while elite-- is not unbeatable against great teams. Gibbs/Ahn at 3/4 is much deeper than this squad at 3/4. You're talking about a future world top 100 player and a player who won a $10k at 14 with US Open experience. No disrespect to the current group, but comparing that depth with this depth is a disservice to that older team. Gibbs and Ahn at 3/4 is nearly unbeatable and I'd venture to guess they never went 0-2 in a dual, without looking it up.

Second, I don't think the depth is there yet. It has potential, but it's young and not developed. This is why KH is essential, because they need to get wins from her somewhere, because my eyes tell me that all 3 freshman aren't good enough to carry the bottom of the lineup. I also think one of those freshmen is good enough to play 4, potentially, because of the upside to her game and her athleticism. However, as it stands, I'm not so sure this was the #1 class in the country. It's very good, but there were some really good classes out there that are in the conversation and perhaps better. Needless to say, "dominating" at the bottom of the lineup against elite teams won't happen.

Again, three freshmen is all potential. Rarely does everything break as it should, but for this team to believe it has a real shot, they will need to get a handful of positive breaks in their favor. God forbid someone gets injured..........then it breaks the other way, in a hurry.

I thought the earlier reference was about 2 or 3 losses before Zhao comes back. I think 2 or 3 total losses this whole season is not remotely possible. The more likely scenario is that the team runs the gauntlet, takes a few more losses, but is battle-tested for the NCAA tournament. I am agnostic and like seeing good tennis -- so not a Stanford hater or supporter -- and from where I sit, I believe this is going to be a challenging year by Stanford expectations. They will need to grow their games in a hurry. Not unheard of, but also not likely at the NCAA Champion level.
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Great post on Stanford. A few points:

KH is essential. Having her play to her potential is critical......but only to get Stanford around the elite 8. Asking your 1,2,3 to essentially go undefeated against elite teams is just impossible, unless you have a top 3 of Zhao, Robin Anderson and Jamie Loeb. Then maybe you do that 95% of the time. This top 3 ---while elite-- is not unbeatable against great teams. Gibbs/Ahn at 3/4 is much deeper than this squad at 3/4. You're talking about a future world top 100 player and a player who won a $10k at 14 with US Open experience. No disrespect to the current group, but comparing that depth with this depth is a disservice to that older team. Gibbs and Ahn at 3/4 is nearly unbeatable and I'd venture to guess they never went 0-2 in a dual, without looking it up.

Second, I don't think the depth is there yet. It has potential, but it's young and not developed. This is why KH is essential, because they need to get wins from her somewhere, because my eyes tell me that all 3 freshman aren't good enough to carry the bottom of the lineup. I also think one of those freshmen is good enough to play 4, potentially, because of the upside to her game and her athleticism. However, as it stands, I'm not so sure this was the #1 class in the country. It's very good, but there were some really good classes out there that are in the conversation and perhaps better. Needless to say, "dominating" at the bottom of the lineup against elite teams won't happen.

Again, three freshmen is all potential. Rarely does everything break as it should, but for this team to believe it has a real shot, they will need to get a handful of positive breaks in their favor. God forbid someone gets injured..........then it breaks the other way, in a hurry.

I thought the earlier reference was about 2 or 3 losses before Zhao comes back. I think 2 or 3 total losses this whole season is not remotely possible. The more likely scenario is that the team runs the gauntlet, takes a few more losses, but is battle-tested for the NCAA tournament. I am agnostic and like seeing good tennis -- so not a Stanford hater or supporter -- and from where I sit, I believe this is going to be a challenging year by Stanford expectations. They will need to grow their games in a hurry. Not unheard of, but also not likely at the NCAA Champion level.
My reference to the depth is not comparing to that team, but addressing that its the first time the team had depth since then. Remember Kostas and Dillon at #6 and Stanford giving a game away and having to battle back to get a 4-3 victory. That is where the reference is. This year's team at least has a blue chip top 6, where previous line-ups did not.

With Zhao out of the line-up its kind of like when Gibbsy was out of the line-up playing pro tournaments, but that helped the team step up and play one slot higher. Sure they were rank outside the top 10, but they came back and beat 4 of the top 5 teams to win NCAA's.

USC did the same thing, last year when Sabs was out and that helped elevate their game to climb to #2. USC still has the monkey on their shoulder. Yeah they can trot around the stadium after beating Stanford, but until they are wearing the ring and their coach can talk about it like a champion, then its tough for that winning attitude to rub off players.

We can talk talent all we want, compare the talent of the past, but let's not forget the mental aspect of tennis, winning attitude, and team success from the past. That has a big role, unless a team can find some motivating factor to have that mental edge, like what Vanderbilt did last year.

If that mental aspect ignites Stanford's Trio Freshman then its not absurd to consider them a Top 4 team, not just a Top 8 team. We will see if it does or not, but history is on their side.
I could be wrong, but it's hard to overlook that Stanford usually is able to win every so often and now is that time.
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Meanwhile, UCLA is in danger of not qualifying for indoors. I knew this season would be a down year, but not like this.
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UCLA loses to Fresno State 4-3. The freshman, Miller, lost the deciding point. The doubles point was crucial. UCLA was up in the deciding match in the doubles point but lost (the freshman was also playing in that match). UCLA needs Fleming playing in the singles lineup. Hope she gets healthy soon, otherwise this season will be a long one.
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