Pac-12 (2016) - Page 2 - TennisForum.com
 2Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #16 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 21st, 2016, 05:20 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,142
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tie_breaker View Post
What's your report on Lampl?
Does she have the goods to be their #1 player?
No, she lacks the power in my opinion. I don't know why but she sort of reminds me of Chanelle in a way.
slickshoes510 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #17 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 21st, 2016, 06:34 PM
Senior Member
 
tie_breaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,717
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickshoes510 View Post
No, she lacks the power in my opinion. I don't know why but she sort of reminds me of Chanelle in a way.
So you're saying she's stronger defensively?
tie_breaker is offline  
post #18 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 21st, 2016, 06:35 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,142
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tie_breaker View Post
So you're saying she's stronger defensively?
Probably not as strong as Chanelle but she plays good defense.
slickshoes510 is offline  
 
post #19 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 21st, 2016, 09:09 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
urklerlay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 974
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickshoes510 View Post
No, she lacks the power in my opinion. I don't know why but she sort of reminds me of Chanelle in a way.
I disagree. Of the 3 freshmen, I think she has a huge upside. LOVE LOVE LOVE that forehand of hers.

Of course having said that, she does seem to play on the defensive a lot, slicing both her forehand and backhand.

On the other hand, since I try to take photos of all the players, I normally don't watch one particular match for any length of time, so I could be all wrong on all counts.

"The fifth set has nothing to do with tennis, it is all about heart." --Boris Becker

Twitter
2013 US OPEN
Flickr
urklerlay is offline  
post #20 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 22nd, 2016, 05:54 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 224
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickshoes510 View Post
Cal defeated UCLA 5-2 today. UCLA basically needs wins from doubles, #1 singles, #2 singles, and another singles to win. That's going to be tough to get in most matches against the top teams. They got 2 of the 4 today and were close in #1 and #2, but that was going to be tough against Cal's top 2.

#1 California 5, #22 UCLA 2
Feb 20, 2016 at Los Angeles, CA (Los Angeles Tennis Center)

Doubles competition
1. Harrison/McPhillips (UCLA) def. #2 Manasse/Starr (CAL) 6-3
2. Fabikova/Hauger (CAL) def. Fleming/Shaffer (UCLA) 6-0
3. Miller/Wiley (UCLA) def. Chi/Lin (CAL) 6-2
Singles competition
1. #13 Maegan Manasse (CAL) def. #18 Catherine Harrison (UCLA) 4-6, 6-2, 6-2
2. #5 Klara Fabikova (CAL) def. Kyle McPhillips (UCLA) 3-6, 6-4, 6-2
3. Lynn Chi (CAL) def. Alaina Miller (UCLA) 6-1, 7-5
4. #121 Denise Starr (CAL) def. Kristin Wiley (UCLA) 6-1, 6-0
5. Terri Fleming (UCLA) def. #102 Olivia Hauger (CAL) 6-1, 7-5
6. Karla Popovic (CAL) def. Laura Luca (UCLA) 6-0, 6-0
Match Notes
California 8-0; National ranking #1
UCLA 5-3; National ranking #22
Order of finish: Doubles (2,3,1); Singles (6,4,3,5,2,1)

I attended this match, and here are a few observations, in case anyone is interested:

1) I showed up after the #2 and #3 doubles matches were already over and the pivotal #1 match was tied 3-all. While Harrison/McPhillips certainly did well to upset #2-ranked Manasse/Starr, the victory was somewhat handed to them by Starr's play (at least during those final 3 games). In the 3 games I saw, Starr committed at least 6 or 7 unforced errors. She volleyed several balls into the middle of the net and buried a couple of overheads there as well. Granted, she was on the sunny side of the court for two of those games, but it wasn't a particularly brutal day out there. To her credit, Manasse stayed positive and encouraged Starr, but Starr was a mess, so much so that I thought maybe her play would carry over into singles, giving UCLA a point at #4. To her credit, Starr shook it off and dominated Wiley 1 and 0 in singles.

2) Both Harrison (court #1) and Miller (court #3) play with two hands off both wings, so it was incredibly odd to see the two of them book-ending the front courts. I had flashbacks to the golden era of Seles, one of my favorite players. In the first set on #1, when presented with a short ball, Harrison generated some Seles-like angled winners out of nowhere, ones that Manasse wasn't even close to and could only helplessly watch go by.

3) While the #1 and #2 matches both went 3 sets, with UCLA winning the 1st sets of both, I wouldn't say that the matches were much in doubt, at least after halfway through the 2nd sets. During the 1st set on #1, Harrison's game plan was to clearly mix things up against Manasse, throwing in loopy, topspin shots, not going for outright winners, but rather focusing on getting the ball back and throwing Manasse off with off-speed shots, tossing in random drop shots, etc... And it worked brilliantly, as Manasse had to scramble around the court, and made a TON of unforced errors by trying to hit through Harrison, sending balls either well long or way wide. Manasse's timing was clearly off during the 1st set as well, which obviously didn't help, and, as mentioned above, when she tried taking a bit off her shots to keep the ball in, Harrison would pounce on any short balls and come up with an incredibly-angled shot that Manasse wasn't anywhere near. Manasse clearly started to find her range a bit in the 2nd set, but Harrison also inexplicably abandoned her 1st-set strategy and tried to go toe-to-toe with Manasse's power, which clearly played to Manasse's strength. I still don't understand why Harrison abandoned her initial strategy because it was working incredibly effectively, and it didn't appear that she was expending an undue amount of energy playing somewhat defensively, so, in my opinion, she could have--and should have--kept it up. As soon as she switched to full-on hitting, though, she could stay with Manasse for a few shots, but then Manasse would usually get the better of her. Harrison didn't revert back to her prior strategy (except on rare occasions), and started getting incredibly upset at herself, screaming in frustration several times.

4) The 1st set on #2 was very similar to #1, in that McPhillips played with a lot of variety in her game, which completely threw Fabikova off. I haven't seen Fabikova play before, but she clearly likes pace and hitting with power, and McPhillips' off-pace, varied shots were frustrating the hell out of Fabikova, as her timing was a bit off and she clearly couldn't find her range (but also didn't appear to have any gear other than 1st...so she was spraying balls long and wide frequently in the 1st). Thankfully for her, she righted herself midway through the 2nd set and then ran away with it in the 3rd. Once Fabikova found her range, McPhillips didn't stand a chance.

5) The one bright spot for UCLA was Fleming. While I only saw a couple of points of that match, I note that she was down 2-4 in the 2nd set, clawed her way to a 5-4 lead, and then was broken on her own serve, after failing to convert a match point. She was no doubt helped by the crowd that was forming on the ledge up above her (including Stella's obnoxious husband), but to her full credit, she broke Hauger at, I believe, love, and then won a tense final game to score UCLA's lone singles victory.

6) I know that Chi has been a focus of others on these boards in the past, so I'll throw in a quick comment about what I saw of her match. When Chi was "on", she was great, but Miller has a very odd game (even apart from her two-hands approach from both sides), and it clearly threw Chi during certain points and/or stretches of the match. Chi was up a break late in the 2nd and couldn't close it out, allowing Miller to get back to 5-all, before buckling down to break Miller and hold her own serve. That 2nd set shouldn't have been as close as it ended up being, but to her credit, Chi got the job done in the end. I suspect that the crowd may have played a part, as there were some pretty obnoxious folks in the stands trying to get "Lainey" into that 2nd set.

7) Lastly, UCLA has zero hope of winning at #6 against teams of any depth. As noted by someone else, this is clearly a rebuilding year for UCLA, as based on her profile on UCLA's website, Luca was plucked from the "UCLA Club Tennis Competitive Team" (what I assume is the intramural club) to play at #6. This reminds me a lot of what Stanford went through with Dillon a couple years back.
tucker1989 likes this.

Last edited by troyvan; Feb 22nd, 2016 at 10:45 PM.
troyvan is offline  
post #21 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 22nd, 2016, 07:30 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 84
 
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by troyvan View Post
I attended this match, and here are a few observations, in case anyone is interested:

1) I showed up after the #2 and #3 doubles matches were already over and the pivotal #1 match was tied 3-all. While Harrison/McPhillips certainly did well to upset #2-ranked Manasse/Starr, the victory was somewhat handed to them by Starr's play (at least during those final 3 games). In the 3 games I saw, Starr committed at least 6 or 7 unforced errors. She volleyed several balls into the middle of the net and buried a couple of overheads there as well. Granted, she was on the sunny side of the court for two of those games, but it wasn't a particularly brutal day out there. To her credit, Manasse stayed positive and encouraged Starr, but Starr was a mess, so much so that I thought maybe her play would carry over into singles, giving UCLA a point at #4. To her credit, Starr shook it off and dominated Wiley 1 and 0 in singles.

2) Both Harrison (court #1) and Miller (court #3) play with two hands off both wings, so it was incredibly odd to see the two of them book-ending the front courts. I had flashbacks to the golden era of Seles, one of my favorite players. In the first set on #1, when presented with a short ball, Harrison generated some Seles-like angled winners out of nowhere, ones that Manasse wasn't even close to and could only helplessly watch go by.

3) While the #1 and #2 matches both went 3 sets, with UCLA winning the 1st sets of both, I wouldn't say that the matches were much in doubt, at least after halfway through the 2nd sets. During the 1st set on #1, Harrison's game plan was to clearly mix things up against Manasse, throwing in loopy, topspin shots, not going for outright winners, but rather focusing on getting the ball back and throwing Manasse off with off-speed shots, tossing in random drop shots, etc... And it worked brilliantly, as Manasse had to scramble around the court, and made a TON of unforced errors by trying to hit through Harrison, sending balls either well long or way wide. Manasse's timing was clearly off during the 1st set as well, which obviously didn't help, and, as mentioned above, when she tried taking a bit off her shots to keep the ball in, Harrison would pounce on any short balls and come up with an incredibly-angled shot that Manasse wasn't anywhere near. Manasse clearly started to find her range a bit in the 2nd set, but Harrison also inexplicably abandoned her 1st-set strategy and tried to go toe-to-toe with Manasse's power, which clearly played to Manasse's strength. I still don't understand why Harrison abandoned her initial strategy because it was working incredibly effectively, and it didn't appear that she was expending an undue amount of energy playing somewhat defensively, so, in my opinion, she could have--and should have--kept it up. As soon as she switched to full-on hitting, though, she could stay with Manasse for a few shots, but then Manasse would usually get the better of her. Harrison didn't revert back to her prior strategy (except on rare occasions), and started getting incredibly upset at herself, screaming in frustration several times.

4) The 1st set on #2 was very similar to #1, in that McPhillips played with a lot of variety in her game, which completely threw Fabikova off. I haven't seen Fabikova play before, but she clearly likes pace and hitting with power, and McPhillips' off-pace, varied shots were frustrating the hell out of Fabikova, as her timing was a bit off and she clearly couldn't find her range (but also didn't appear to have any gear other than 1st...so she was spraying balls long and wide all frequently in the 1st). Thankfully for her, she righted herself midway through the 2nd set and then ran away with it in the 3rd. Once Fabikova found her range, McPhillips didn't stand a chance.

5) The one bright spot for UCLA was Fleming. While I only saw a couple of points of that match, I note that she was down 2-4 in the 2nd set, clawed her way to a 5-4 lead, and then was broken on her own serve, after failing to convert a match point. No doubted helped by the crowd that was forming on the ledge up above her (including Stella's obnoxious husband), but to her full credit, she broke Hauger at, I believe, love, and then won a tense final game to score UCLA's lone singles victory.

6) I know that Chi has been a focus of others on these boards in the past, so I'll throw in a quick comment about what I saw of her match. When Chi was "on", she was great, but Miller has a very odd game (even apart from her two-hands approach from both sides), and it clearly threw Chi during certain points and/or stretches of the match. Chi was up a break late in the 2nd and couldn't close it out, allowing Miller to get back to 5-all, before buckling down to break Miller and hold her own serve. That 2nd set shouldn't have been as close as it ended up being, but to her credit, Chi got the job done in the end. I suspect that the crowd may have played a part, as there were some pretty obnoxious folks in the stands trying to get "Lainey" into that 2nd set.

7) Lastly, UCLA has zero hope of winning at #6 against teams of any depth. As noted by someone else, this is clearly a rebuilding year for UCLA, as based on her profile on UCLA's website, Luca was plucked from the "UCLA Club Tennis Competitive Team" (what I assume is the intramural club) to play at #6. This reminds me a lot of what Stanford went through with Dillon a couple years back.
Thanks so much. It's always great to have an eyewitness account!

I agree with you that players with variety in the game tend to give Manasse and Fabikova trouble, but both have gotten better at hanging in there and finding their rhythm.

Chi is one of my favorites--I love her backhand. I have not seen her play lately, but a couple of weeks ago, it was clear she was not yet match-tough. I'm counting on her getting stronger as the season progresses.

Over the last couple of years, Starr has shown a tendency of having her game just fall apart at times for a few games--and that is unfortunate to happen in a short match format like doubles. But she has gotten better at recovering than in the past; it seems that happened here.

Again, thanks for your report!
OldBlue is offline  
post #22 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 23rd, 2016, 04:21 AM
Senior Member
 
tucker1989's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 24,378
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Great report! What happened to UCLA getting Hart this spring? Tennisrecruiting listed her as graduating early, but maybe she changed her mind?

UCLA must be the frontrunner to get Dolehide, right?
tucker1989 is offline  
post #23 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 23rd, 2016, 11:05 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,142
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tucker1989 View Post
Great report! What happened to UCLA getting Hart this spring? Tennisrecruiting listed her as graduating early, but maybe she changed her mind?

UCLA must be the frontrunner to get Dolehide, right?
Hart probably changed her mind. She just played the ITF tournament this week and lost to her friend and teammate next year, Shibahara.

One would think UCLA would still be the frontrunner for Dolehide. Some seem to think that Texas now has a shot with her sister there and with their new facility being built (or is it finished already?).
tucker1989 likes this.
slickshoes510 is offline  
post #24 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 23rd, 2016, 05:00 PM
College Tennis/Team USA expert
 
tennisbuddy12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 9,266
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

I don't get why Luca plays 6 (even though she has ITF experience - weird for a "club" player) when Magil or Shaffer are probably better. Unless they're both injured still.

Thanks for your report, troyvan

Tennis Tipping
Singles: Won ITF Contrexeville '10, ITF Yakima '12, ITF Medellin '14, ITF Monterrey '14, ITF Asuncion '14, ITF CH-YEC '14, Dubai '16, U.S. Open '17, Tokyo PPO '17 (as Q), Quebec City '18
Doubles: Won Bad Gastein '10 (as Q), Quebec City '10 (as Q),Wimbledon '11, ITF Kansas City '11, ITF Nassau '12, ITF Yakima '12, WTA 125 Hua Hin '15, Hong Kong ‘16 (as LL), ITF Dubai ‘18, Strasbourg ‘19

tennisbuddy12 is offline  
post #25 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 23rd, 2016, 05:03 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,142
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisbuddy12 View Post
I don't get why Luca plays 6 (even though she has ITF experience - weird for a "club" player) when Magil or Shaffer are probably better. Unless they're both injured still.

Thanks for your report, troyvan
Magill is injured. Shaffer is recovering from injury. She's only playing doubles for now, but should be good for both soon.
slickshoes510 is offline  
post #26 of 26 (permalink) Old Feb 26th, 2016, 12:00 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,142
                     
Re: Pac-12 (2016)

UCLA just defeated USC 4-2 (one match still being played).

UCLA got points from all singles wins on courts 1, 2, 3, and 5. I was surprised considering UCLA lost the doubles point. I also thought USC would have the advantage with UCLA losing more from last year. Nice to see Cat win over Gugu. Cat was actually up 5-1 in the first too. It's also nice to see Kyle beat Westby after what happened last year at USC in their matchup. Miller stepping up to get a point also should do a lot for her confidence going forward.
slickshoes510 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome