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Old Jan 29th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #2146
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My dad (I know, he's ancient) saw Chrissie on TV commentating, claims she was wearing some engagement/wedding ring. Any news?
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Old Jan 30th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #2147
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My dad (I know, he's ancient) saw Chrissie on TV commentating, claims she was wearing some engagement/wedding ring. Any news?
no. she just likes rings.
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Old Jan 30th, 2012, 07:13 PM   #2148
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I suspect LightWarrior is speaking slightly tongue in cheek...........

The lights certainly did go out for Evert as the roof (sky) closed on her attempts to win one last Grand Slam......
well serving 6-5 30-0 in the 2nd set is not so bad... the younger, mentally sharper Chris of her first 12 years on tour would not have let that slip... would have been very interesting to see how Steffi would have handled that, as she was certainly coming unraveled (at least as much as I've ever seen her, looking distraught & questioning calls)

I really dont think I can recall a night match.... I consider it a real corruption of the game today in fact. I mean, the men's final ended at nearly 2 am... why? So it can run prime time?? I loved sun-shiny finals days... it was part of the aesthetic of tennis back then, at least for me. Night matches bring in all these other elements, like seeing with shadows from the lights etc... while removing the heat conditions.

Does it make me a whiner to say I prefer every aspect of how things were done before tennis was overtaken by marketing experts?
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Old Jan 30th, 2012, 10:05 PM   #2149
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well serving 6-5 30-0 in the 2nd set is not so bad... the younger, mentally sharper Chris of her first 12 years on tour would not have let that slip... would have been very interesting to see how Steffi would have handled that, as she was certainly coming unraveled (at least as much as I've ever seen her, looking distraught & questioning calls)

I really dont think I can recall a night match.... I consider it a real corruption of the game today in fact. I mean, the men's final ended at nearly 2 am... why? So it can run prime time?? I loved sun-shiny finals days... it was part of the aesthetic of tennis back then, at least for me. Night matches bring in all these other elements, like seeing with shadows from the lights etc... while removing the heat conditions.

Does it make me a whiner to say I prefer every aspect of how things were done before tennis was overtaken by marketing experts?
I think you know me well enough to know I agree with nearly everything you say. I'd even go further and say it goes back to Howard Head getting approval from the ITF to have pros use his oversized snowshoe, and creating an entirely new sport. Tennis always was and is supposed to be a very difficult sport to master. The standard size racquet made the game more of a wonderful chess match. The oversized racquet gave hackers and non-players all over the world an easier time getting the ball back over the net without having had to actually learn the game.

I also think a lot of this commercialism goes back to the King/Riggs fiasco, which spawned the tennis boom in America. I remember having to watch the Serena/Venus final at Melbourne a couple of years ago, and we had to watch the whole final under a closed roof with lights. It was just like a night match. I think the only place a roof might be warranted would be Wimbledon, just because it rains and spits so much there.

Regarding the 1988 Ausopen final, all I can say from watching the match, it seems to me that Graf was so dominating Evert, that when the interruption of that train came, it really threw her head off- and that's all Chris needed to see. It is a shame it didn't go 3, as it would've been interesting, to say the least.
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Old Jan 31st, 2012, 12:31 AM   #2150
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no. she just likes rings.
Tx. I thought it was a little too early for that, but might as well check with the expert.
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Old Jan 31st, 2012, 01:11 AM   #2151
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Well, I lost track probably, is she seeing someone lately (at least if it's publicly known)?
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Old Jan 31st, 2012, 01:20 AM   #2152
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I don't mind night matches as long as they are in the early rounds, maybe because I personally LOVE to play at night. I also especially love the US Open night sessions during the early rounds, but the semis and the final is another thing. If it rains for a long time I can take a final played at night, but not just because of prime time requirements: as my buddies Daze and Alfa agree, marketing specialists are ruining the magic, but it's not only in tennis: I know they are useful for certain things, but the end up giving everything the same perspective and you finally lose many of the particularities of sports and places and activities and whatever they put their hands on. It's like a globalization, but not on different cultures as a whole but on how things get to you in your real life.
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I really dont think I can recall a night match.... I consider it a real corruption of the game today in fact. I mean, the men's final ended at nearly 2 am... why? So it can run prime time??
Yep. How do you think Tennis Australia otherwise could afford to pay the prize money it does or even attract top players to the event? Or afford the facilities "arms race" that the four Grand Slam events are locked into? Just be glad that US television doesn't dictate the time of the final (yet).
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Old Jan 31st, 2012, 07:51 AM   #2154
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Regarding the 1988 Ausopen final, all I can say from watching the match, it seems to me that Graf was so dominating Evert, that when the interruption of that train came, it really threw her head off- and that's all Chris needed to see. It is a shame it didn't go 3, as it would've been interesting, to say the least.
Far be it from me that I should defend Ms Evert of all people, but the rain delay happened when Graf was up 2-1 in the first set. Although Evert agreed to the request to have the roof closed, she was a bit ticked off that the match was allowed to begin under an open roof in the first place because there was a light drizzle even during the first couple of games. I think that what threw Evert off in addition to the roof closure was the organisers' decision to host the parade of former champions while the roof was being closed and the court was wiped dry. (The parade was supposed to have been held after the match.)

So Graf and Evert played for 13 minutes and this was followed by an 89-minute interruption. To be perfectly fair to Evert, it's a lot more difficult for a 33-year-old to regain her rhythm after an interruption like that than it is for an 18-year-old, and Evert's comeback from 1-6, 1-5 down was the competitor in her absolutely refusing to lie down and die in what would be her last major final.

There! I think I've met the minimum BFTP requirement for defending a player whom I could never stand. Rollo, does this give me carte blanche to bash Chrissie for the rest of the year?
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Old Jan 31st, 2012, 08:25 AM   #2155
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Far be it from me that I should defend Ms Evert of all people, but the rain delay happened when Graf was up 2-1 in the first set. Although Evert agreed to the request to have the roof closed, she was a bit ticked off that the match was allowed to begin under an open roof in the first place because there was a light drizzle even during the first couple of games. I think that what threw Evert off in addition to the roof closure was the organisers' decision to host the parade of former champions while the roof was being closed and the court was wiped dry. (The parade was supposed to have been held after the match.)

So Graf and Evert played for 13 minutes and this was followed by an 89-minute interruption. To be perfectly fair to Evert, it's a lot more difficult for a 33-year-old to regain her rhythm after an interruption like that than it is for an 18-year-old, and Evert's comeback from 1-6, 1-5 down was the competitor in her absolutely refusing to lie down and die in what would be her last major final.

There! I think I've met the minimum BFTP requirement for defending a player whom I could never stand. Rollo, does this give me carte blanche to bash Chrissie for the rest of the year?
I knew I'd unleash someone by posting with information I didn't really research. I used to be able to do it from memory, and in this, my latest comeback to the blast, I'm learning that some of the on/off switches in the brain have stuck permanently in the "off" position. I do remember Graf at one point (with a commanding lead) suddenly started making a slew of errors, opening the gate for Evert to nearly come back.
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Well, I lost track probably, is she seeing someone lately (at least if it's publicly known)?
no, she's focusing on herself before jumping back into anything with someone else. Its been a long time since she's had the luxury to only listen to what Ms Evert needs & wants, to see who she is without someone else's needs partly determining it... ! Maybe 1977.... Proud of her.
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I knew I'd unleash someone by posting with information I didn't really research. I used to be able to do it from memory, and in this, my latest comeback to the blast, I'm learning that some of the on/off switches in the brain have stuck permanently in the "off" position. I do remember Graf at one point (with a commanding lead) suddenly started making a slew of errors, opening the gate for Evert to nearly come back.
See i dont agree with that... Chris absolutely caused those errors. She said, 'i see you hiding your achilles heel... i'm aiming every ball into the backhand corner until i see the entire court open for me to unleash a forehand cross-court winner' and she simply stayed patient enough to not change the (boring) tactic, and in-tune enough to not make an error before steffi's shots crumbled under the pressure. THAT'S what was unnerving Steffi....She had convinced herself she no longer had weaknesses and Evert basically said, "I KNOW you do...and I can still find them." Steffi's face got redder & redder, like a guilty child who got caught with her hand in the cookie jar, being revealed... and watching 5 straight games skid away like that got her edgy. So I dont think steffi let up, as their meeting a few months later @ Lipton88 showed. That was very hotly contested & Chris had loads of chances again....
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Yep. How do you think Tennis Australia otherwise could afford to pay the prize money it does or even attract top players to the event? Or afford the facilities "arms race" that the four Grand Slam events are locked into? Just be glad that US television doesn't dictate the time of the final (yet).
I dont agree with the prize money at ANY of these events. That's ANOTHER corruption, raising spoiled 'champions' who can't stay grounded enough to stay HUNGRY in their sport. The French & Wimbledon women's title holders fell in the first round of the US Open, and the US Open champ fell in the first round of Australia. Becoming instant millionaires may well have something to do with this inability to maintain the standard of quality real professionals should be able to deliver. They are coddled and distracted.

Off topic of Evert but on topic with lack of integrity in the game being caused by a straying away from the standard of Evert's era & that which came before it.... I chatted with Ali (hingis-seles) when the hoopla at the Aussie Open came, about the guys wanting more prize money on the tour & Roger Federer didn't exactly stand with them on it. My example against more money was taking a player at random, like Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo...ranking 129... career W/L record: 63-112, best EVER result being 4R of a slam. Basically, HE STINKS. He's just not a real good player. Has tennis given him a living? OVER ONE MILLION 800 THOUSAND DOLLARS in 5 years! He makes more money than almost anyone I know, averaging upwards of $300k a year!

Tennis players are people who basically get to travel the entire world, as most of us will not come anywhere close to doing our whole lives, and never set foot in a dreary 9 to 7 office job. They got PAID to slap a ball around the net in the sunshine. (And not with any particular distinction, for the most part) I must say, I have zero sympathy for them.

Now, is tennis any different form this 'no-ceiling financial attitude' that has destroyed the integrity of our entire planet? No, of course not. But it's a spoiled, bratty, UNSUSTAINABLE trend that has been remarkably destructive to whatever topic you want to choose.
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Great to read your thoughts about the night matches, thanks!

I know AO'88 had its normally scheduled night session matches. The Martina vs. Liz Minter was the very first nght match on the today-called Rod Laver Arena on the opening day that year. The Steffi vs. Hana QF was also a night match.
So, I don't think that they didn't put Chrissie at leat once into the night session, probably if she she asked not to do.
Nothing special, just curiosity.
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