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Old Jun 19th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #1
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Former Nazi Death-camp Guard, Now 89, Accusesd of War Crimes

He is facing extradition to Germany, where he is wanted to face trial.
He he been in the US since the 1950's


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89-year-old Philadelphia Man Accused of War Crimes as Nazi Death-camp Guard

(CNN) -- For decades, prosecutors say, Johann (John) Breyer had successfully eluded a dark past.
In his twilight years, the 89-year-old Philadelphia man was forced to defend himself against accusations that he was more than a mere perimeter guard at the notorious Auschwitz camp, where more than 1 million people, most of them Jews, were killed during World War II. He maintained that he never persecuted anyone.
In 2003, a U.S. court ruled that he was not responsible for joining a Nazi unit because he was only 17 years old at the time.
But new evidence has emerged, U.S. and German prosecutors say, that shows Breyer had to have been involved in the crimes that occurred in that place.
Breyer, who has lived in the United States since the 1950s, is facing possible extradition to Germany following his arrest Tuesday in Philadelphia, authorities said.


Federal Magistrate Judge Timothy R. Rice on Wednesday ordered him held without bail, pending an extradition hearing in late August.
According to court documents filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, German authorities have charged Breyer with complicity in the murder of more than 216,000 European Jews from Hungary, Germany, and Czechoslovakia, who were forcibly deported to the Auschwitz II-Birkenau concentration camp, in southern Poland, on 158 trains between May and October 1944.


The U.S. case against Breyer dates to the 1990s when federal authorities sought to strip him of his U.S. citizenship, arguing that Nazis were not eligible.

At the time, Breyer admitted to the U.S. Department of Justice that he served as an armed guard at the Buchenwald concentration camp, in Germany, and was later transferred to Auschwitz.
According to the current complaint, in 1991, Breyer told U.S. authorities that while he was a guard at Auschwitz he may have fired into the air occasionally.

He also stated that on three or four occasions he marched prisoners to construction sites outside the camp complex.


He told authorities he heard that people would be cremated and saw smoke but did not know how the prisoners had died, the complaint said.
The new complaint states that Breyer was promoted at least once while stationed at the Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and granted leave to visit his German hometown twice, once in April 1944 and another time in January 1945. The complaint explains that such benefits were not afforded to guards who had refused to perform the full range of duties of an SS "Death's Head Battalion" guard.


It was common knowledge among guards that prisoners unfit for labor were gassed and their bodies burned, according to the documents.
Breyer got his original claim to U.S. citizenship from his mother, who was born in Manayunk, Pennsylvania, and who returned with her family to Germany before World War I.

After World War II, Breyer migrated to the United States in 1952 and claimed citizenship as a displaced person.
In the court documents submitted to the federal magistrate this week, Breyer is said to have made statements since 1951 that are "highly inconsistent with each other and are contrary to existing historical records and other credible evidence." Authorities allege that he deliberately made false statements to minimize his role in the Holocaust.


A spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League who is also a Holocaust survivor praised the long-running efforts that led to Breyer's arrest.
"We applaud the German and American governments for their commitment to ensuring that, while justice may be delayed, perpetrators of the Holocaust will be pursued to the end, no matter how long it takes," Abraham H. Foxman, the Anti-Defamation League National Director, said in a statement.


"We are especially grateful for the tireless efforts of the U.S. Department of Justice, which has long sought an order of deportation against Breyer, who served in the Nazi SS as a guard at two notorious concentration camps during World War II," said Foxman.
Breyer's extradition hearing is scheduled for August 21.


source:http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/18/us/naz...ladelphia-man/
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Old Jun 19th, 2014, 05:21 PM   #2
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Re: Former Nazi Death-camp Guard, Now 89, Accusesd of War Crimes

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He is facing extradition to Germany, where he is wanted to face trial.
He he been in the US since the 1950's


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89-year-old Philadelphia Man Accused of War Crimes as Nazi Death-camp Guard

(CNN) -- For decades, prosecutors say, Johann (John) Breyer had successfully eluded a dark past.
In his twilight years, the 89-year-old Philadelphia man was forced to defend himself against accusations that he was more than a mere perimeter guard at the notorious Auschwitz camp, where more than 1 million people, most of them Jews, were killed during World War II. He maintained that he never persecuted anyone.
In 2003, a U.S. court ruled that he was not responsible for joining a Nazi unit because he was only 17 years old at the time.
But new evidence has emerged, U.S. and German prosecutors say, that shows Breyer had to have been involved in the crimes that occurred in that place.
Breyer, who has lived in the United States since the 1950s, is facing possible extradition to Germany following his arrest Tuesday in Philadelphia, authorities said.


Federal Magistrate Judge Timothy R. Rice on Wednesday ordered him held without bail, pending an extradition hearing in late August.
According to court documents filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, German authorities have charged Breyer with complicity in the murder of more than 216,000 European Jews from Hungary, Germany, and Czechoslovakia, who were forcibly deported to the Auschwitz II-Birkenau concentration camp, in southern Poland, on 158 trains between May and October 1944.


The U.S. case against Breyer dates to the 1990s when federal authorities sought to strip him of his U.S. citizenship, arguing that Nazis were not eligible.

At the time, Breyer admitted to the U.S. Department of Justice that he served as an armed guard at the Buchenwald concentration camp, in Germany, and was later transferred to Auschwitz.
According to the current complaint, in 1991, Breyer told U.S. authorities that while he was a guard at Auschwitz he may have fired into the air occasionally.

He also stated that on three or four occasions he marched prisoners to construction sites outside the camp complex.


He told authorities he heard that people would be cremated and saw smoke but did not know how the prisoners had died, the complaint said.
The new complaint states that Breyer was promoted at least once while stationed at the Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and granted leave to visit his German hometown twice, once in April 1944 and another time in January 1945. The complaint explains that such benefits were not afforded to guards who had refused to perform the full range of duties of an SS "Death's Head Battalion" guard.


It was common knowledge among guards that prisoners unfit for labor were gassed and their bodies burned, according to the documents.
Breyer got his original claim to U.S. citizenship from his mother, who was born in Manayunk, Pennsylvania, and who returned with her family to Germany before World War I.

After World War II, Breyer migrated to the United States in 1952 and claimed citizenship as a displaced person.
In the court documents submitted to the federal magistrate this week, Breyer is said to have made statements since 1951 that are "highly inconsistent with each other and are contrary to existing historical records and other credible evidence." Authorities allege that he deliberately made false statements to minimize his role in the Holocaust.


A spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League who is also a Holocaust survivor praised the long-running efforts that led to Breyer's arrest.
"We applaud the German and American governments for their commitment to ensuring that, while justice may be delayed, perpetrators of the Holocaust will be pursued to the end, no matter how long it takes," Abraham H. Foxman, the Anti-Defamation League National Director, said in a statement.


"We are especially grateful for the tireless efforts of the U.S. Department of Justice, which has long sought an order of deportation against Breyer, who served in the Nazi SS as a guard at two notorious concentration camps during World War II," said Foxman.
Breyer's extradition hearing is scheduled for August 21.


source:http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/18/us/naz...ladelphia-man/
I'm sure he didn't mean any harm.
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As horrific as the Nazi atrocities were, punishing an 89 yo for stuff he may have done 60 years ago when he was 17 - 19 seems dubious.
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As horrific as the Nazi atrocities were, punishing an 89 yo for stuff he may have done 60 years ago when he was 17 - 19 seems dubious.
As I understand it, hunt for the nazis has no statute of limitations.

Also I think if you are old enough to join the nazis and fight, you are fully responsible for actions you have taken during the war.
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Accountability had a statue of limitations. It's called "age" here. As in he'll be dead soon so he's probably like, whatever. And just chilling.
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As I understand it, hunt for the nazis has no status of limitations.

Also I think if you are old enough to join the nazis and fight, you are fully responsible for actions you have taken during the war.
- It doesn't. More vengeance than justice that.

- I agree with being responsible for one's actions. But neither of those points speak to the opinion I expressed.
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He might have been a draftee. And maybe the US wouldn't be extraditing him based only on him having been a guard doing sentry duty (or maybe it would be) but GER would indeed prosecute him just for that.

In other words, his crime may have been mainly that he didn't try 2B a hero, and risk execution by deserting or going AWOL. Sorry, but that's like saying one has a legal responsibility to try to pull someone out of a burning house.

Even in countries where "failure to render aid" is a crime (thus that charge against French paparazzi who didn't try to save Dodi and Diana in 1997) the law wouldn't compel one to take a major risk of one's own death.

Now lets take it a step further, and say Breyer was a Nazi "true believer" and hated (ethnic) Jews.... like me. Would he then be guilty of the equivalent of "not rushing into a house engulfed in flames" to save ppl? Nope, even if he was happy about those ppl dying in the fire (here, the gas chambers).
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He should be held accountable. He has the opportunity to put forth a defense. Let him do so.
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Accountability had a statue of limitations. It's called "age" here. As in he'll be dead soon so he's probably like, whatever. And just chilling.
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Anyone? Anyone?
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Anyone? Anyone?
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As horrific as the Nazi atrocities were, punishing an 89 yo for stuff he may have done 60 years ago when he was 17 - 19 seems dubious.
How so?
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As horrific as the Nazi atrocities were, punishing an 89 yo for stuff he may have done 60 years ago when he was 17 - 19 seems dubious.
so if lets say i kill 5 people when im 16, and now when im 70 yr they catch me on something i did years ago, should i go to jail?

i do believe no matter the crime, if you did it, you should pay the crime, its pretty simple
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