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Old Jun 18th, 2014, 08:21 PM   #16
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i saw this post on facebook

"we might as well change the name of the Eagles so eagles won't be offended! LOL!"

why is the average american so fucking dumb
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7 Things That Convinced The U.S. Patent Office To Cancel The Redskins Trademark

By Judd Legum June 18, 2014 at 11:40 am Updated: June 18, 2014 at 1:46 pm
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"7 Things That Convinced The U.S. Patent Office To Cancel The Redskins Trademark"


The landmark decision by the U.S. Patent Office, first reported by ThinkProgress, canceled the trademark “Redskins” for Washington’s NFL franchise. Ultimately, the decision hinged on whether the term Redskins “disparages Native American persons.” The law prohibits trademarks on disparaging terms. So the Native Americans challenging the trademark needed to convince the office: 1. The term was still referring to Native Americans, and 2. It was disparaging toward Native Americans. Here are seven things that persuaded the Patent Office:
1. This picture of cheerleaders
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CREDIT: USPTO

From the decision: “The Redskinettes also had appeared wearing costumes suggestive of Native Americans, as shown in the 1962 photograph of them reproduced below, which contained the title ‘Dancing Indians’ and the caption ‘Here are the Redskinettes all decked out in their Indian garb and carrying Burgundy and Gold pom-poms.’”
2. This picture of the marching band
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CREDIT: USPTO

From the decision: “The Washington Redskins marching band had worn Native American headdresses as part of its uniforms between the 1960s and the 1990s, as shown in the image below from the 1980s.”
3. This press guide
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From the decision: “Between 1967 and 1979, the annual Washington Redskin press guides, shown below, displayed American Indian imagery on the cover page.”
4. Its similarity to other racial slurs

The decision cited an excerpt from the 1990 book “Unkind Words: Ethnic Labeling from Redskin to WASP”:

Nearly half of all interracial slurs …refer to real or imagined physical differences. … Most references to physical differences are to skin color, which affirms what we have always known about the significance of color in human relations. Asian groups were called yellow this and that and Native Americans were called redskins, red men, and red devils.

5. The dictionary definition of Redskins

We further note the earliest restrictive usage label in dictionary definitions in Mr. Barnhart’s report dates back to 1966 from the Random House Unabridged First Edition indicating REDSKIN is “Often Offensive.” From 1986 on, all of the entries presented by Mr. Barnhart include restrictive usage labels ranging from
“not the preferred term” to “often disparaging and offensive.”

6. The opposition by the National Congress of American Indians

The decision cites a 1992 resolution from the organization:

[T]he term REDSKINS is not and has never been one of honor or respect, but instead, it has always been and continues to be a pejorative, derogatory, denigrating, offensive, scandalous, contemptuous, disreputable,
disparaging and racist designation for Native American’s

7. Letters of protest from Native Americans

The Patent Office also considered letters protesting the name from individual Native Americans. One sample:

Since you continue not to believe that the term “Redskins” is not [sic] offensive to anyone, let me make this clear: The name “Redskins” is very offensive to me and shows little human interest or taste…If you think you are preserving our culture or your history, then may I suggest a change? To live up to your name, your team would field only two men to the opponents eleven. Your player’s wives would be required to face the men of the opposing team. After having lost every game in good faith, you would be required to remain in RFK stadium’s end zone for the rest of your life living off what the other teams had left you. (Which wouldn’t be much.) Since you would probably find this as distasteful as 300,000 Indians do, I would suggest a change in name. In sticking to your ethnic theme, I would suggest the Washington ******s as a start. … This would start a fantastic trend in the league. We would soon be blessed with the San Fransisco [sic] Chinks, New York Jews, Dallas Wetbacks, Houston Greasers, and the Green Bay Crackers. Great, huh? Mr. Williams, these would be very offensive to many people, just as Redskins is offensive to myself and others. You can take a stand that would show you and the team as true believers in civil rights, or you can continue to carry a name that keeps alive a threatening stereotype to Indian people. People, Mr. Williams. We don’t want the Redskins!
http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2014...ins-trademark/
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I don't think the USPTO should be involved, but I do understand why people would feel upset about this.
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Well, when someone comes out with a team called "The N*****s" with a picture of Mandingo, I hope I can be as proud of the name and image as the Native Americans are supposed to be.


This really isn't hard.

None of the concepts are hard.

I think people who support the team and have pride in the team are intentionally misreading the situation so they don't give in to what they perceive as being PC. In actuality, it's having some damn common sense and respect for people not like them.
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I don't think the USPTO should be involved, but I do understand why people would feel upset about this.
Since the grievance was brought to them didn't the USPTO have to look at their grievance?
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This really isn't hard.

None of the concepts are hard.

I think people who support the team and have pride in the team are intentionally misreading the situation so they don't give in to what they perceive as being PC. In actuality, it's having some damn common sense and respect for people not like them.
Wish I had this gif to give to you for your comment.
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A good example of a harmless nickname.
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Maybe they can change their name to the Bullets since that's available in Washington.

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The USPTO (US Patent and Trademark Office, the bolded word being the relevant one here) ought to stay the fuck out of this. Clearly, Dan Snyder has valid ownership for NFL purposes of the use of the Redskins logo (as the late Jack Kent Cooke did for many years) though IMO he should change it.

He also owns the copyright on said commercial use of the name itself, governed by the Library of Congress. But just as the OP ITT had no problem with the illicit taping of Donald Sterling's indeed ugly words being used in the pending forced sale of the Clippers, I presume she's also OK with this case of "the ends justify the means".

Whatever happened to the genuinely empowering concept of the boycott, whether by Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King against the Montgomery, AL bus company (bankrupting the owners, FWIW) or against the apartheid regime in South Africa.
That would require personal sacrifice on the part of the protester, which would cut into their valuable Twitter/Facebook/Tennis Forum time.
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A good example of a harmless nickname.


Especially since it is only a reference to shirt colors, not to skin tone.
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Especially since it is only a reference to shirt colors, not to skin tone.
The NZ soccer team is The All-Whites for the same reason.
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Fully in support of this, but ridiculous that they didn't also bring the Cleveland Indians down with it.
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Fully in support of this, but ridiculous that they didn't also bring the Cleveland Indians down with it.
The Indians organization has slowly been phasing out their "Indian" imagery, especially the old "Chief Wahoo" over the years and replacing it entirely with the block "C" and script "Cleveland." The old (and stereotypical) Chief isn't completely gone, but he's fading fast.

I think that while there are many people who would like to see the organization eliminate the Indian name entirely, the fact they have at least shown some sensitivity makes them less of a target.
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Especially since it is only a reference to shirt colors, not to skin tone.
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The NZ soccer team is The All-Whites for the same reason.
Hey, why are you two trying to mess with Williamsser's "beautiful mind". Of course the use of "Blacks" & "Whites" are synonymous with skin color
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Hey, why are you two trying to mess with Williamsser's "beautiful mind". Of course the use of "Blacks" & "Whites" are synonymous with skin color
I'm more worried about the St. John's changing their name from the Redmen to the Red Storm. Clearly, the university has been taken over by the communists.
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