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Old Jun 14th, 2014, 02:27 PM   #1
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USA - IRAN: Strange Bedfellows In Iraq... Sort Of...

US is about to help Iraq fight off ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...and_the_Levant), largely composed of Sunnisfighters.
The government in power in Baghdad is Shiite dominated.

Meanwhile, in Teheran, Iranian government has already sent troops to Iraq to fight off the advance of ISIS fighters.
Iran is ruled by Shiites and has close ties with the Shiites in Iraq.

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Iran sends troops into Iraq to aid fight against Isis militants

Tehran and Washington form fragile alliance to aid Nouri al-Maliki as jihadist group threatens to take Baghdad



, Saturday 14 June 2014 06.12 EDT Iraqi security forces and volunteers on the outskirts of Diyala province. Photograph: Reuters



Iran has sent 2,000 advance troops to Iraq in the past 48 hours to help tackle a jihadist insurgency, a senior Iraqi official has told the Guardian.
The confirmation comes as the Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, said Iran was ready to support Iraq from the mortal threat fast spreading through the country, while the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, called on citizens to take up arms in their country's defence.


Addressing the country on Saturday, Maliki said rebels from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) had given "an incentive to the army and to Iraqis to act bravely". His call to arms came after reports surfaced that hundreds of young men were flocking to volunteer centres across Baghdad to join the fight against Isis.


Rouhani also made reference to the fact Tehran was cooperating with its old enemy Washington to defeat the Sunni insurgent group – which is attempting to ignite a sectarian war beyond Iraq's borders.
The Iraqi official said 1,500 basiji forces had crossed the border into the town of Khanaqin, in Diyala province, in central Iraq on Friday, while another 500 had entered the Badra Jassan area in Wasat province overnight. The Guardian confirmed on Friday that Major General Qassem Suleimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards' elite Quds Force, had arrived in Baghdad to oversee the defence of the capital.


There is growing evidence in Baghdad of Shia militias continuing to reorganise, with some heading to the central city of Samarra, 70 miles (110km) north of the capital, to defend two Shia shrines from Sunni jihadist groups surrounding them.


The volunteers signing up were responding to a call by Iraq's most revered Shia cleric, the Iranian-born grand ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, to defend their country after Isis seized Mosul and Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit in a lightning advance this week. Samarra is now the next town in the Islamists' path to Baghdad.
"Citizens who can carry weapons and fight the terrorists in defence of their country, its people and its holy sites should volunteer and join the security forces," Sheik Abdul-Mahdi al-Karbalaie, Sistani's representative, said on Friday in a sermon at the holy Shia city of Kerbala.


He warned that Iraq faced great danger and that fighting the militants "is everybody's responsibility, and is not limited to one specific sect or group", Associated Press reported. Karbalaie's comments have consistently been thought to reflect Sistani's views.
Meanwhile, Iraqi troops had been ordered out of the northern city of Kirkuk by Kurdish fighters who have taken full control of the regional oil hub and surrounding areas, according to a mid-ranking army officer.
His account was corroborated by an Arab tribal sheik and a photographer who witnessed the looting of army bases after troops left and who related similar accounts of the takeover from relatives in the army, the Associated Press reported.


"They said they would defend Kirkuk from the Islamic State [Isis]," said the Arab officer, who oversaw a warehouse in the city's central military base.
He insisted the Iraqi troops had not planned to retreat before the Islamic State. "We were ready to battle to death. We were completely ready," he said at a roadside rest house just inside the semi-autonomous Kurdish region.
A spokesman for Kurdish forces, known as the peshmerga, said they had only moved in after Iraqi troops retreated, assuming control of the "majority of the Kurdistan region" outside the semi-autonomous Kurdish regional government.


"Peshmerga forces have helped Iraqi soldiers and military leaders when they abandoned their positions," including by helping three generals to fly back to Baghdad from the Kurdish regional capital of Erbil, said Lieutenant General Jabbar Yawar in a statement on the regional government's website.
A supporter of Maliki in the Iraqi parliament condemned the peshmerga's move, calling it a plot carried out in co-ordination with the regional government that would lead to problems.
"The Kurds have taken advantage of the current situation. They seized Kirkuk and they have other plans to swallow other areas," Mohammed Sadoun said.


A colonel from the military command responsible for Samarra said Iraqi security forces were preparing a counter-offensive against Isis on Saturday. The colonel, whom Maliki announced had been granted "unlimited powers" by the Iraqi cabinet, said reinforcements from the federal police and army arrived on Friday, according to Agence France-Presse.


The officer said the reinforcements were for a drive against areas north of the city, including Dur and Tikrit, and forces were awaiting orders to begin.
Sunni residents of west Baghdad said on Saturday Shia militias had taunted them with anti-Sunni chants. Baghdad has remained in virtual lockdown for the past three days as Isis jihadists threatened to storm the capital. However, Saturday morning saw relative normality return to deserted streets, with many residents returning to shops to stockpile supplies.


Residents offered little reaction to Barack Obama's statement late on Friday in which he appeared to condition renewed US military support on Iraqi leaders first making efforts to pull the country back from the brink. The US and Iran, foes throughout the US occupation of Iraq, share a common interest in defeating Isis, and Iran has so far expressed no opposition to US threats to send military support to Maliki.


Meanwhile, the British foreign secretary, William Hague, had held talks with his Turkish counterpart, Ahmet Davutoglu, "urgently to co-ordinate approaches to the instability in Iraq and links to Syria conflict", he said on Twitter. Britain is to give £3m ($5.1m) of aid to Iraq as the first step in dealing with the humanitarian consequences of the insurgency.
The international development secretary, Justine Greening, said the initial tranche of emergency funding would allow agencies to supply water, sanitation, medicine, hygiene kits and basic household items.




http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-nouri-maliki

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Old Jun 14th, 2014, 04:09 PM   #2
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Re: USA - IRAN: Strange Bedfellows In Iraq... Sort Of...

I'd like to see the US stay out of this. It's a situation caused mostly by Maliki and company's vengeful oppression of Sunnis in Iraq.
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I'd like to see the US stay out of this. It's a situation caused mostly by Maliki and company's vengeful oppression of Sunnis in Iraq.
There is pressure by US hawks in Congress, mainly in the Senate(John McCain), to provide a more muscular assistance.
The president has said there would not be sending US troop involvement in Iraq.
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Re: USA - IRAN: Strange Bedfellows In Iraq... Sort Of...

Suddenly. rooting for USA is the same as rooting for Iran.

US won't be sending troop, their campaigned being limited to proving support to Iraq troops in weapons and technical expertise.
And it the US government decides to go with air strikes, they would assisting the Iranian troop fighting on the side of the Iraq army.


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Iraq crisis pulls in U.S. and Iran as violent militants capture more cities


CNN) -- One by one, Iraqi cities seem to be falling to a militant group bent on continuing its march forward.
What's happening in Iraq now has all the makings of a civil war -- and a full-blown foreign policy crisis. The United States is mulling direct talks with Iran while it boosts security at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad with military personnel.
Why Iran? In recent days, Iran has sent hundreds of troops to fight alongside Iraqi government security forces in Diyala province, a senior security official in Baghdad told CNN.
Clearly, the crisis in Iraq is spilling far beyond its borders. Here's the latest:




Iraq's military strikes back at ISIS
After days of violent advances by the militant group ISIS, the Iraqi air force killed more than 200 militants from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, Iraqi state TV reported Monday.
The air raids against ISIS took place in Saqlawiya, northwest of Falluja, according to state TV.
ISIS has been fighting to take control of Iraq, seizing cities across the country.




Iran enters the mix
In recent days, Iran has sent about 500 of its Revolutionary Guard troops to fight alongside Iraqi government security forces in Iraq's Diyala province, according to a senior security official in Baghdad who spoke to CNN on Friday.
But Iranian President Hassan Rouhani denied reports that some of Iran's elite forces are in Iraq to help bolster Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, a fellow Shiite.
"If the Iraqi government wants us to help, we will consider it," Rouhani said, according to an English translation of his remarks Saturday on state-run Press TV.
But "so far they have not asked specifically for help." Rouhani added that Iran could give strategic guidance, if it's requested.
The Obama administration is exploring possible direct talks with Iran over the deteriorating situation in Iraq, two senior U.S. officials told CNN.
Both officials ruled out any type of teaming up with Iran because the United States and Iran don't have a lot of common interests -- other than a stable Iraq.
The United States is wary of furthering Iran's already considerable influence in Iraq. The Shiite Iranian regime is al-Malaki's closest ally in the region. And the Obama administration is concerned that appearing to team up with Iran would both alienate Iraq's Sunni minorityand worry Sunni allies of the United States in the region.


ISIS apparently posted chilling photos on jihadi Internet forums that appear to show the executions of Iraqi security forces.
CNN cannot independently confirm the authenticity of the images purportedly posted by ISIS. Terrain, building signs and the uniforms of the apparent victims in the images reviewed by CNN suggest the photos are legitimate.
A caption on some of the images reads: "apostates heading to their hole of doom."
On Friday, a tweet on what was claimed to be an ISIS Twitter account claimed that its members killed at least 1,700 Shiites. CNN was unable to verify the authenticity of the account, which was apparently taken down Sunday.
ISIS, an al Qaeda splinter group, wants to establish a caliphate, or Islamic state, that would stretch from Iraq into northern Syria. The group has had substantial success in Syria battling President Bashar al-Assad's security forces.




The militants take over more Iraqi areas
The militant group racked up several victories across Iraq on Sunday.
The northwestern city of Tal Afar fell to ISIS, according to Iraqi Gen. Mohammed al-Quraishi. Many Tal Afar residents, including ethnic minority Shiite Turkmen, fled the fighting north toward Iraq's Kurdish region.
Before Iraqi security forces lost Tal Afar, several mortar rounds landed on a busy area in the town and killed at least seven people, security officials in Baghdad and Tal Afar told CNN.
Also on Sunday, ISIS gained control of two villages in Diyala province, northeast of Baghdad.
And Iraqi security forces and suspected ISIS gunmen clashed near al-Khalis, about 18 miles (29 kilometers) from Diyala's capital of Baquba, al-Khalis police officials told CNN. Three mortar rounds landed near a recruitment center opened recently for volunteers to help the Iraqi army fight ISIS.




Given Baquba's proximity to Baghdad, if Baquba were to fall, it could give ISIS militants three-pronged access to Baghdad -- from Anbar province to the west, Ninevah and Salahuddin provinces to the north and from Diyala province from the northeast.
Sunday's gains by ISIS came after militants took control of two villages in the Iraqi Kurdish province of Kirkuk last Thursday.
ISIS seized Iraq's second-largest city, Mosul, last week and has threatened to march on Baghdad, Iraq's capital and largest city.
But "Mosul didn't fall," the Iraqi Prime Minister told military leaders in a speech televised Sunday on state TV.
"The ones who have fallen are the politicians who have bet against Iraq," al-Maliki said. "We will not allow anyone to divide the Iraqi people."


'Blanket bombing' is not going to work
CNN senior international correspondent Arwa Damon visited Kirkuk and asked the local governor whether the United States should launch airstrikes to help fight ISIS.
"I think they know how to do it, but blanket bombing is not going to work here," Gov. Najmaldin Karim said.
Part of the problem would be that ISIS members are blended into the civilian population in Kirkuk, and innocent people could be killed, Karim said.
But there should be targeted bombing in Iraq and Syria, he said.
"I don't think anyone is safe from these people," Karim said.






The U.S. shifts embassy staffing
An amphibious assault vehicle with 550 Marines aboard was expected to enter the Persian Gulf on Monday, a U.S. defense official told CNN. The Marines and their V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft could help evacuate Americans from Iraq if necessary, the official said.
Between 50 and 100 U.S. Marines and U.S. Army personnel have already arrived at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, a U.S. official told CNN on Sunday.
In addition to adding security personnel, some embassy staffers were being moved to consular offices in Basra and Irbil or sent to Jordan, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Sunday. Most will remain in Baghdad, however, she said.


The State Department is warning U.S. citizens against "all but essential travel to Iraq." The official travel warning says U.S. citizens in Iraq "remain at high risk for kidnapping and terrorist violence."
The United States invaded Iraq in 2003. American military forces ended their withdrawal from the country in December 2011.
At the time of the U.S. drawdown, Iraq's leadership had agreed that a residual U.S. military presence was desirable, but the talks broke down over the prickly issue of legal immunity for U.S. troops in Iraq.


Gas prices rise
Even though the ISIS advance hasn't had a major effect on the country's oil exports, gas prices around the world are rising.
Oil experts say the 4% price spike since June 6 -- which has taken a barrel of crude to $107 for the first time since September 2013 -- is being driven by fear that exports could be hit later this year, just as world demand peaks.
Attacks by insurgents had already shut off exports from Iraq's northern oil fields in early March. But it's the threat they could pose to exports from the south -- the heart of the country's oil industry -- that's worrying traders.
"Seasonally we are coming to the peak demand period. We know that Libya is already off line, and this is why there is such impetus for an upward movement in oil prices now," said Amrita Sen, chief oil analyst at Energy Aspects.
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Re: USA - IRAN: Strange Bedfellows In Iraq... Sort Of...

IMO the Shiite militias are just as bad. Maybe worse since it's Shiite oppression that led to the current insurgency. Most of Iraq is Sunni.
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IMO the Shiite militias are just as bad. Maybe worse since it's Shiite oppression that led to the current insurgency. Most of Iraq is Sunni.
I think Shiites are the majority.
During Saddam Hussein reign, the Sunni rules and oppressed the majority Shiites.
After the Iraqi army defeat, the Shiites came to power with help of the USA.

The USA, in its zeal to punish Saddam Hussein regime, got rid off of all the Sunnis, high ranking civil servants or military brass alike.
The Shiites grab the power and were not interested in sharing it their former oppressors.

The thing is, the Sunni military officers, who had ruled the country for a long time and had accumulated load of experience in warfare (planning, leading and fighting) went underground to wait for an opportunity to fight another day.
And this is it.

The current Shiites leadership in power did not help that they have refused after each election to share power with the Sunnis, building lot of resentment among Sunni rank and file and as well as high ranking civilians and former military officers.


It is a vicious cycle of revenge and retaliation the history of the 2 people in the middle east, the USA should never have gotten involved in the first place.
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As we hear rumors of the USA working with Iran on the growing turbulence in Iraq, I'm reminded of the aftermath of a different war, and the exposure of the lies in that case.

Those of you old enough will recall that in the Vietnam War, we were told repeatedly that North Vietnam was front for China our global against Communism. After Vietnam defeated te USA in the what we call the Vietnam war, who invaded Vietnam a couple years later? China.

Leading one to ask, were the Vietnamese a front for China? Or simply people fighting for their independence against first Franc and then the USA?

Fast forward to today.

Iran is called by many a threat to the USA, though how they could possibly be I have no idea. They certainly have been accused of being the source of money and arms to the resistance in Iraq, as they fought to drive the USA out. So now the USA is out, and SOME armed group is attacking the puppet government we installed in Iraq. And who are we turning to for help?

Rumors are, Iran.

Which leads one to ask, were the Iranians the problem in Iraq? Were they ever a threat to the USA?

Or did they see the only country in the world to use nuclear weapons, a country which routinely threatens them, invade the countries to either side of them. They did see that. And if you're Iran, does that not look like a long term prelude to an attack?

Certainly, the current situation does NOT lead one to conclude that Iran is a source of regional instability.
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As we hear rumors of the USA working with Iran on the growing turbulence in Iraq, I'm reminded of the aftermath of a different war, and the exposure of the lies in that case.

Those of you old enough will recall that in the Vietnam War, we were told repeatedly that North Vietnam was front for China our global against Communism. After Vietnam defeated te USA in the what we call the Vietnam war, who invaded Vietnam a couple years later? China.

Leading one to ask, were the Vietnamese a front for China? Or simply people fighting for their independence against first Franc and then the USA?

Fast forward to today.

Iran is called by many a threat to the USA, though how they could possibly be I have no idea. They certainly have been accused of being the source of money and arms to the resistance in Iraq, as they fought to drive the USA out. So now the USA is out, and SOME armed group is attacking the puppet government we installed in Iraq. And who are we turning to for help?

Rumors are, Iran.

Which leads one to ask, were the Iranians the problem in Iraq? Were they ever a threat to the USA?

Or did they see the only country in the world to use nuclear weapons, a country which routinely threatens them, invade the countries to either side of them. They did see that. And if you're Iran, does that not look like a long term prelude to an attack?

Certainly, the current situation does NOT lead one to conclude that Iran is a source of regional instability.
Interesting
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What's that old saying? The enemy of my enemy is my friend (at least for a while). Twas ever thus.
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What's that old saying? The enemy of my enemy is my friend (at least for a while). Twas ever thus.
Perfect case right here.
Both US and Iran have entered in a clandestine incestuous relationship beneficial to both of them.
Neither one will ever publicly acknowledge it
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I think Shiites are the majority.
During Saddam Hussein reign, the Sunni rules and oppressed the majority Shiites.
You think?? Who cares about what you think? Kidding. You're absolutely correct. I completely turned things around somehow. Yay me.

Then again:

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Shia–Sunni discord in Iraq starts with disagreement over the relative population of the two groups. According to most sources, including the CIA's World Factbook, the majority of Iraqis are Shia Arab Muslims (around 65%), and Sunnis represent about 32% of the population.[72] However, Sunni are split ethnically between Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen. Many Sunnis hotly dispute their minority status, including ex-Iraqi Ambassador Faruq Ziada,[73] and many believe Shia majority is "a myth spread by America".[74] One Sunni belief shared by Jordan's King Abdullah as well as his then Defense Minister Shaalan is that Shia numbers in Iraq were inflated by Iranian Shias crossing the border.[75] Shia scholar Vali Nasr believes the election turnout in summer and December 2005 confirmed a strong Shia majority in Iraq.[76]
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Ask you savior, Obama. He's the one demonizing Iran.
Yes. Because Dubya, and the GOP in general, just anglicize Iran. "axis of evil" ring any bells?
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The root cause is short-sighted policy of extremely intellectually challenged president of usa. Isis is as much of his creation as it is one of al qaeda. It's him and stupid sheep Hillary, who supported anti-assad forces with no longsight whatsoever, and nurtured isis by encouraging gulf petrocracies to finance and support everything anti-assad. And now, when isis is formed, and numerous, and when suddenly they met a firm resistance in Syria, getting their ass badly kicked in there, all that extremist shit is getting flushed into Iraq and finding marionette government a very easy target. Hello.
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Old Jun 17th, 2014, 03:30 AM   #14
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The root cause is short-sighted policy of extremely intellectually challenged president of usa. Isis is as much of his creation as it is one of al qaeda. It's him and stupid sheep Hillary, who supported anti-assad forces with no longsight whatsoever, and nurtured isis by encouraging gulf petrocracies to finance and support everything anti-assad. And now, when isis is formed, and numerous, and when suddenly they met a firm resistance in Syria, getting their ass badly kicked in there, all that extremist shit is getting flushed into Iraq and finding marionette government a very easy target. Hello.
Please.

Ypu are so loquacious when it comes to US policies
Yet, I don't see you condemn Putin thuggish behavior annexation of Crimea , and destabilization of Ukraine.

You always say "it is no big deal" to any of Putin infraction.
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Signed like that.

Add Turkey closing both eyes from all those Djihadists flocking into Syria via Turkish territory and you get what we see today.

Funny enough, this will most probably lead to the first independent Kurdish State on the southern border of Turkey. Sultan Erdogan got pwned.

Bringing freedom and democracy to that region my ass. Terror and death is what removing Saddam brought and nothing else.
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