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Old May 6th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #16
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

I think pov is in his ful right to express his concern about Masha's shoulder and he also has plausibly explained the bases for his concern - As far as I can see his concerns aren't that far-fetched - I however agree with the many here who've stated that if Masha has shoulder problems again then she will withdraw asap - So - we'll just have to wait and see if she pops up in the next match vs Stosur - If she does then we must conclude that she's OK

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Old May 6th, 2014, 07:28 PM   #17
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

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How many games was she broken in this match? I thought it was not many...
Maria was only broken 2 times

Look, we can't all get paranoid every time Maria drops her level of play during the second set. HOW many times has that happened already this season?

I would be worried if Maria's serve went from great to bad to shit, but again she was only broken twice, and she recovered in the third and won 67% of her serves that set despite being under tremendous pressure when down 4-1. Really, today was just an off day. She's allowed to have those. After all the shoulder scares she's had over the years, I don't think she would have continued playing even if there was even the slightest hint of pain. This is only the second round of Madrid after all, not the semis or finals. She would have retired if she had doubts and rested up for Rome.

Let's just try and relax
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Old May 6th, 2014, 08:14 PM   #18
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

Ngl I rarely over-dramatise the shoulder situation but midway through the second set she fully flexed her shoulders back. Then preceded to do that lip biting thing, then her serve percentage just plummeted. The important thing is however that it picked up in the third, especially with the kickers. So I'm not too concerned because if her shoulder was in pain she wouldn't have even dared to start a third set.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #19
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

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I didn't watch the match so I',m just going by the stats. The third was back up to 62% but that only makes me wonder if she just pushed through some pain/discomfort.
I re-watched the whole match. McHale played at a level much higher than Lacher de Brito at 2013 Wimbledon or Stephens at 2013 Cincy.

Maria wouldn't have a chance at all if her shoulder acted up.

It's a high quality match, all credits to McHale for pushing it to a 3-set match.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 06:08 AM   #20
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

if you'll apply the same criteria which is the basis for your worries about Maria's shoulder you'll soon find out that half of the WTA players have shoulder problems
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Old May 7th, 2014, 06:22 AM   #21
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

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I re-watched the whole match. McHale played at a level much higher than Lacher de Brito at 2013 Wimbledon or Stephens at 2013 Cincy.

Maria wouldn't have a chance at all if her shoulder acted up.

It's a high quality match, all credits to McHale for pushing it to a 3-set match.
On the contrary this match was not of high quality.
- 1.52 times worse than the Stuttgart's final;

Quality of Maria's tennis in this match:
- 1.48 times worse than in the first match in Madrid;
- 1.60 times worse than in the Stuttgart's final;
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Old May 7th, 2014, 10:39 AM   #22
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

I have a rotator cuff inury also and its not normally the percentage you should be looking at but the speed.
The shoulder gets tired so you dont hit it as hard, meaning more should probably go in.
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

My belief is that Maria's occasional flexing and moving of the shoulders on-court are just part of her routine to keep things loose. I've seen her do it in several matches this year and nothing sinister has come from it. I know Maria is a stubborn person who doesn't like to ever show weakness, but after everything she's experienced with her shoulder over the years and going back to last year with her attempts to play through pain in Rome, RG, and Wimbledon, I don't think she'd ignore pain yet again. If she was in any discomfort, she'd be shutting it down immediately, especially with 2 majors coming up.

So I'm not seeing Maria in pain out there. I just think that after all the shoulder injuries and numerous changes to her serving mechanics, she's always going to have those episodes where she loses rhythm and consistency. It's been erratic since 2009, so you can only hope that when these moments hit her in matches, she can weather it and compensate for it before she gets in any real danger against her opponent. I think she's done a great job over the past 5 years managing a balky serve and still being able to win titles and be a top player.
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

Has she been interviewed since the win yesterday?
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

If Maria's shoulder is not in good (as much as it can) shape, then she should not play - by now, with all the experience she got with injuries of that shoulder, one expects her to know when to play and when not.. besides she has the best specialist for shoulder injuries at her disposition...
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

guys, read the post match interview. no mention of shoulders.
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

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guys, read the post match interview. no mention of shoulders.
That would have been my point....if I could have found a post match interview.
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

crux posted it here....
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthrea...470630&page=86
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

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That would have been my point....if I could have found a post match interview.
It was posted here in SS in news and articles
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Re: Is Sharapova's shoulder acting up?

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guys, read the post match interview. no mention of shoulders.
And you expect her to say it out loud (in the case she did have some discomfort)? After how she handled the shoulder issue in 2008 and even last year (cold excuse for Rome and then the Cincy debacle - she got plasma shots without informing the media- unlike a Nadal situation for example), I don't expect her to reveal anything in public.

And even last year in Rome, RG, Cincy she never called the trainer, yet...

Anyway, I personally reckon that she has some discomfort at the least -there was a moment in the McHale match in which she made a face that reminded me a lot of that Cincy match- and also how she looks nervous as soon as her serve is not working. To me it speaks more of a " I know something is not right" situation rather than a worrying about losing the set/match so to speak.

And as another poster noted, it's not the percentage that is indicative, but the speed and boy if she's serving weak. Maybe she's doing it to protect her shoulder, but the thing is that she doesn't raise it when in danger, as if she isn't capable of doing it, not not wanting it.

Even last year against Vika at RG, when we now know she was in pain, she hit several high speed serve (180 and more km/h) that bailed her out several times. Now they are MIA.

In a nutshell, I think she still has problems, but she has them since her comeback this year. Obviously at the end of the day we will never know, just like we don't know the full story of what happened last year and the state of her shoulder. But for example I think her being emotional in the Stuttgart win has a lot to do with that. Just my two cents.
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