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Old Jan 8th, 2014, 09:02 PM   #1
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Will Western Europe and the US Pay Out to Slave Descendants?

i saw a show about the upcoming movie, twelve years of slavery and part of the show were discussed about Financial compensation to slaves descendants, How serious is it?

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https://www.archetypes.com/article/w...ve-descendants


Ralph Gonsalves - Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Prime minister talk about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU0Rp8ydGWU
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Old Jan 8th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #2
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Re: Will Western Europe and the US Pay Out to Slave Descendants?

Highly unlikely don't think Nicaragua have gotten their compensation after the ICJ ruling on the Contras so unlikely in this case unfortunately.
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Old Jan 8th, 2014, 10:34 PM   #3
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Re: Will Western Europe and the US Pay Out to Slave Descendants?

i doubt any former oppressive governments will/can afford to compensate descendants of the oppressed.
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Old Jan 8th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #4
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i doubt any former oppressive governments will/can afford to compensate descendants of the oppressed.
Germany paid some reparations to Jews, didn't they?


These are not just oppressive governments, in the case of they US, the country had free labor for several generations, including childcare.
For some European, in addition to free labor, they pillage the raw material(gold, coper, iron, diamond, timber, oil, etc...) of the countries they colonized.
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Old Jan 8th, 2014, 11:23 PM   #5
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Germany paid some reparations to Jews, didn't they?


These are not just oppressive governments, in the case of they US, the country had free labor for several generations, including childcare.
For some European, in addition to free labor, they pillage the raw material(gold, coper, iron, diamond, timber, oil, etc...) of the countries they colonized.
that was a different case because germany lost the war and was immediately held culpable.
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Re: Will Western Europe and the US Pay Out to Slave Descendants?

Also Germany didn't quite pay ALL war repatriations I believe, wasn't this the issue with Greece recently, some Greeks felt they still hadn't been compensated for the war.
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that was a different case because germany lost the war and was immediately held culpable.
So, in your estimation, under what scenario, would the former trader countries be made to pay reparations and lost wages?
The protocol under which which Germany was found liable to pay fits the particular situation.


I am sure if smart people put their head together, they will find a way.
Different circumstances, different solutions.
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Re: Will Western Europe and the US Pay Out to Slave Descendants?

In Africa, as is shown in the movie "Amistad", the chain of slavery started from strong African tribes raiding weaker tribes, and selling those to white slave traders at the port. Maybe the descendants of those tribes should be fined too.

How about the Slavic countries, they were a favorite target for the slave markets for centuries, hence the name 'slav' came into being. Now who bought those, Islamic countries? Weren't they also sold all over Europe?

Or are they going to limit to recent period when the slavery was almost industrialized by the surge of demand of labor for sugar, cotton and such for the Caribbean and American plantations: Africans were relatively immune to diseases so they were selected from then on, before that Americans were tried..

Maybe USA can raise a slave tax or something.

And there is a more recent case in Korean and Chinese 'comfort women '(sex slaves) abused by Japanese soldiers during WWII, Japan isn't paying.
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So, in your estimation, under what scenario, would the former trader countries be made to pay reparations and lost wages?
The protocol under which which Germany was found liable to pay fits the particular situation.


I am sure if smart people put their head together, they will find a way.
Different circumstances, different solutions.
there is no scenario under which this makes sense. it will never happen.
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The process of proving descent to receive the retribution would be extremely messy.
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there is no scenario under which this makes sense. it will never happen.
Thanks for the response.
But you're too "practical" to bother to look past the conventional wisdom.
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Re: Will Western Europe and the US Pay Out to Slave Descendants?

I hope not. It's ridiculous. The history of the world isn't short of various groups being conquered and/or enslaved.
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Shit, I wish.
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Europeans love socialism, don't they? Pay up, Europeans.
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I hope not. It's ridiculous. The history of the world isn't short of various groups being conquered and/or enslaved.
This is essentially how I feel about it. I hate to take a more practical approach to the situation, but who hasn't been enslaved or oppressed at some point?

Would you guys want to adopt an entire system to pay women back for being treated like second-class citizens for many, many, many, many generations? The patriarchal infrastructure of most of history has created a problem in gender imbalance that is still a real issue today.

And where exactly would the resources come from? If we're talking only about America, would it only be white, heterosexual males who would have to pay a special tax to make sure that that reparation is possible?
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